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(08-06-2009 01:58 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]47b20s0 But it appears that Messianics are smarter and more knowledgeable and want nothing better than to teach the Jews Gaah


I know, they constantly tell us that we don't know how to read
our own scriptures..that they are following the "true" first century
Judaism..and that Christianity is corrupted and needs to return
to this "first century Judaism"...

Swoon
(08-06-2009 02:21 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]I know, they constantly tell us that we don't know how to read
our own scriptures..that they are following the "true" first century
Judaism..and that Christianity is corrupted and needs to return
to this "first century Judaism"...

SwoonSmiley_65

I think they call that circular reasoning Smiley_65

The sad thing is that they truly believe they are more righteous than anyone else - for such a time as this
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Again i have to say that at my HR church, we say Pastor, not Rabbi...even though he is of jewish descent.
I've always been told that Rabbi just means Teacher but I'll bet my pastor knows better and so does not call himself Rabbi.
(08-09-2009 06:35 PM)karebear Wrote: [ -> ]Again i have to say that at my HR church, we say Pastor, not Rabbi...even though he is of jewish descent.
I've always been told that Rabbi just means Teacher but I'll bet my pastor knows better and so does not call himself Rabbi.

Rabbi in the Hebrew per the Greek NT means: "my great one, my honourable sir". It does not mean "just teacher" - it doesn't mean teacher at all, so you were lied to, which is common in HR:

H7227
רב
rab
BDB Definition:
1) much, many, great (adjective)
1a) much
1b) many
1c) abounding in
1d) more numerous than
1e) abundant, enough
1f) great
1g) strong
1h) greater than
1i) much, exceedingly
2) captain, chief (noun masculine)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: contracted from H7231

H7231
רבב
râbab
BDB Definition:
1) to be or become many, be or become much, be or become great
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be or become many
1a2) to be or become great
1a3) to be long (of journey)
2) (Pual) ten thousands
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

This is the word for teacher in the Greek:

G1320
διδάσκαλος
didaskalos
Thayer Definition:
1) a teacher
2) in the NT one who teaches concerning the things of God, and the duties of man
1a) one who is fitted to teach, or thinks himself so
1b) the teachers of the Jewish religion
1c) of those who by their great power as teachers draw crowds around them, i.e. John the Baptist, Jesus
1d) by preeminence used of Jesus by himself, as one who showed men the way of salvation
1e) of the apostles, and of Paul
1f) of those who in the religious assemblies of the Christians, undertook the work of teaching, with the special assistance of the Holy Spirit
1g) of false teachers among Christians

These are the words for teacher in Hebrew [teacher is only used seven times in the OT and none of them mean Rabbi]:

H995 [used once]
בּין
bîyn
BDB Definition:
1) to discern, understand, consider
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to perceive, discern
1a2) to understand, know (with the mind)
1a3) to observe, mark, give heed to,distinguish, consider
1a4) to have discernment, insight, understanding
1b) (Niphal) to be discerning, intelligent, discreet, have understanding
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to understand
1c2) to cause to understand, give understanding, teach
1d) (Hithpolel) to show oneself discerning or attentive, consider diligently
1e) (Polel) to teach, instruct

and this:


H3384 [used four times]
ירא / ירה
yârâh / yârâ'
BDB Definition:
1) to throw, shoot, cast, pour
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to throw, cast
1a2) to cast, lay, set
1a3) to shoot arrows
1a4) to throw water, rain
1b) (Niphal) to be shot
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to throw, cast
1c2) to shoot
1c3) to point out, show
1c4) to direct, teach, instruct
1c5) to throw water, rain

H3925 [used once]
למד
lâmad
BDB Definition:
1) to learn. teach, exercise in
1a) (Qal) to learn
1b) (Piel) to teach
1c) (Pual) to be taught, be trained

H3887 [used once]
לוּץ
lûts
BDB Definition:
1) to scorn, make mouths at, talk arrogantly
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to boast
1a2) to scorn
1b) (Hiphil)
1b1) to mock, deride
1b2) to interpret (language)
1b2a) interpreter (participle)
1b2b) ambassador (figuratively)
1c) (Hithpalpel) to be inflated, scoff, act as a scorner, show oneself a mocker

When Jesus was called Rabbi, it was in deference to His Messiahship and His incredible Godly wisdom. Today's Rabbis also call themselves "great one" as a superior spiritual leader with knowledge and wisdom that surpasses others. There is an educational and religious process to become a Rabbi in Judaism, which is religion separate from Christianity [Judaism denies Jesus Christ]. Rabbis are Jews, not HR wanna bees.

As Jesus said - no man should be called Rabbi or teacher. No one in the NT had a title, and would probably be appalled with all the Pastors, Bishops, and Messianic Rabbis.

Please see this thread on pastors. Your HR "teacher's" humility is staggering.

http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=386
actually it was not the HR movement where i was told Rabbi meant Teacher.
I am going to follow your link now to read it. thanks.
(02-07-2009 05:04 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know why Messianics call their leaders, "Rabbis"? Why do they think getting an ordination in the teachings of messianic Judaism gives them the right to be called "Rabbi" when they have not studied in a true Yeshiva?

Inquiring minds want to know ........Sign0085

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren

Matthew 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men:

That's it. They have taken up the very "Traditions of Men" which Jesus condemned. All because of Pride.

What is a yeshiva anyway? Simply a school to be brainwashed into the talmud and other "traditions of men". You do not need a building to do that.

What is ironic is why would one want to follow the ways of the very people who hate our lord and savior?

We did, for a number of years, and it was all about pride. Maybe not at first, but as with any cult, your think changes to group-think over a period of time.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
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