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I've been in conversation this past few days with someone who as a Christian wants to learn more about her Hebraic Roots.......... sound familar?????

Well I've been trying to give her a few guidelines to follow I don't know the person very well so I am trying to build up a friendship with her so that she will trust what I warn her about - she told me this evening that she wants to:

Quote:just wanting to do things more Hebraic & less Greek influenced.

Well I ended up on sheep wrecked blog this evening and came across "Heart of Wisdom Publishing" and it rang a bell - so I checked and this homeschool mom I'm in contact with is using their material - so I guess that this is where she is getting the "urge" to do things hebraic.


Sheep wreaked have you any more info on this organisation?


Thanks

(04-09-2009 02:24 PM)4given Wrote: [ -> ]I've been in conversation this past few days with someone who as a Christian wants to learn more about her Hebraic Roots.......... sound familar?????

Well I've been trying to give her a few guidelines to follow I don't know the person very well so I am trying to build up a friendship with her so that she will trust what I warn her about - she told me this evening that she wants to:

Quote:just wanting to do things more Hebraic & less Greek influenced.

Well I ended up on sheep wrecked blog this evening and came across "Heart of Wisdom Publishing" and it rang a bell - so I checked and this homeschool mom I'm in contact with is using their material - so I guess that this is where she is getting the "urge" to do things hebraic.


Sheep wreaked have you any more info on this organisation?


Thanks

Hi 4given, I had actually researched it quite some time ago, because it is a mainstay throughout Messianic/HR proponents. And getting back to ones Hebraic Roots, Jewish Roots, lost roots etc etc etc....is just the carrot on the stick.

Heart of Wisdom books promotes the feasts and much more. THis is from my research from some time ago, so haven't checked to see if there is any updates to this information.[/quote]

Quote:FAMILY GUIDE TO THE BIBLICAL HOLIDAYS: With Activities For All Ages By Robin Scarlata and Linda Pierce
This book is filled with information, lesson plans, special unit studies, craft ideas and other activities to help Christian families understand the purpose and meaning behind the "Holy Days" of the Bible. This is a "meaty" book, packed full of resources and ideas for families interested in learning more about the Jewish roots of Christianity, and yet simple enough for anyone to understand. You don't have to be an Old Testament scholar to appreciate this book!

(Published by Heart of Wisdom ISBN 0-89826-076-0 )

( Website: http://www.heartofwisdom.com )

Quote: http://www.heartofwisdom.com/Questions/robin.asp
Who is Robin Sampson?
Robin Sampson is a home schooling mother of eleven children and author of several acclaimed books including What Your Child Needs to Know When, A Family Guide to the Biblical Holidays, and the Heart of Wisdom Unit Studies. She has authored articles on education for Homeschool Today, Teaching Home and she is a regular contributor for the Home School Digest. She has been the keynote speaker and provided popular presentations at conferences, workshops and meetings since 1989.

Robin presents refreshing inspirational speeches, blending new information with well-grounded Biblical principles Employing all her invaluable knowledge and experience, Robin has been writing and speaking, covering a broad spectrum of home school topics, from education philosophies to the Biblical studies for over ten years. Robin actively lives her subject as she continues to home educate her five youngest children in northern Virginia.

Robin's husband, Ronnie is a computer engineer and deputy director with the Transportation Security Administration in Washington DC.

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It is noteworthy that Robin's writing partner, Linda Pierce was found to be a leader in a CES Fellowship List, which is part of John Lynn's organization. John Lynn was former The Way International [TWI] leadership and when the org broke apart, CES was one of the splinter groups that was started.

TWI teachings rejected the divinity of Christ, denied the holocaust, etc. You can read more about it, and John Lynn in the following articles:

The Way International and John Lynn and CES > http://www.seekgod.ca/early.htm
1. Michael John Rood: Dad & Early Church Communications
.. along with John Lynn and Bo Reahard, .... member' John Lynn and associates also ..

2. The Reverend Michael John Rood > http://www.seekgod.ca/revrood.htm
.. for example, John Lynn's Christian Education ..

3. Michael John Rood: Marine Chaplain, Jewish Gentile Rabbi & Reverend? > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodmarine.htm

4. Michael John Rood: Continuing The WAY > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodways.htm
.. based on John Lynn's statement below. .... John Lynn stated in an .... 1987, including John Lynn, for entering .... listed issues, John Lynn states clearly ..

. Michael Rood was leadership in TWI and also promotes Heart of Wisdom and the Family Guide to The Biblical Holidays.

One of the things with the desire for more Hebraic and less Greek, it means the attack begins as undermining the Greek texts of the NT. The original 'must have been Hebrew, and XXX just happens to have that, but they don't have them. Because they don't exist. But that doesn't matter because they have the Hebrew Matthew, which is a polemic against Christ and Christians, targeting Christian Jews to return to Judaism. It's like a dominoe effect, once started, with the end result often being the rejection of Jesus Christ and the NT.

Thankyou

I've got lots of reading to do.

(04-09-2009 06:56 PM)4given Wrote: [ -> ]Thankyou

I've got lots of reading to do.

Yes, it takes a bit to get the info. I meant to ask, and I think it was you, 4given, but I can't find which thread we were talking about Smileys and you? wanted to know if you couldn't get the smileys working could you use your own.

If you didn't get them working on site, that might be alright. Try and keep the kb size down if you use others. We can see how and if that will work alright. Hate for you not to be able to have smiley's.

I placed that comment in my introduction thread. Thanks for the permission - I'll be careful and if you have any problems let me know or just delete as required.

(04-09-2009 02:24 PM)4given Wrote: [ -> ]I've been in conversation this past few days with someone who as a Christian wants to learn more about her Hebraic Roots.......... sound familar?????

Well I've been trying to give her a few guidelines to follow I don't know the person very well so I am trying to build up a friendship with her so that she will trust what I warn her about - she told me this evening that she wants to:

Quote:just wanting to do things more Hebraic & less Greek influenced.

Well I ended up on sheep wrecked blog this evening and came across "Heart of Wisdom Publishing" and it rang a bell - so I checked and this homeschool mom I'm in contact with is using their material - so I guess that this is where she is getting the "urge" to do things hebraic.


Sheep wreaked have you any more info on this organisation?


Thanks

Hi 4given,

Over the past year and a half I've done a lot of research on the Hebrew Roots Movement (SeedGod has been a good resource!) due to the progressive creeping in of "Law keeping" doctrine on a mom's digest I subscribe to. The digest is composed of moms of many young children, most of whom homeschool. Heart of Wisdom's curriculum has been mentioned many times over the years, though I did not know how it was influencing fellow moms.

Years ago, when I was researching homeschooling our children, I picked up the book, "What Your Child Needs to Know When", by Robin Sampson, published by Heart of Wisdom Publishing. As I read through (not knowing ANYTHING about the HRM or even having a blip of it on my radar screen at that point), I saw that it pitted Greek "thought" and methods of teaching against Hebraic "thought" and methods of teaching, clearly depicting the Hebraic way as superior. It looked a little legalistic to me (little did I know!), but the book overall had some good information and useful grade-level evaluation charts in the back, so the book has sat on my shelf as a resource for the past 8 or 9 years.

Fast-forward to the Fall of '07. Law "keeping" posts at the mom's digest increased significantly during the closing months of '07, but I didn't have time to really look into where the teachings I saw being posted were coming from. By early '08, the Holy Spirit would not let me rest until I figured out what in the world these women were teaching and where they were getting it from.

As I researched, there were several organizations and teachers' of doctrines names that kept coming up. One of those organizations was Heart of Wisdom. If you go to their main website [link deleted by admin per forum rules] it all looks fairly harmless. They offer lots of homeschooling materials, many of them quality products. If, however, you investigate ALL of their material, sister websites, and their forum, it becomes very clear that HOW has an agenda beyond providing quality homeschooling materials to Christian families. That agenda is "enlightening" believers about their "Hebraic Roots" and encouraging them into a Torah observant lifestyle.

One of their best-selling and most popular homeschooling resources is the book, "A Family Guide to Biblical Holidays" by Robin Sampson and Linda Pierce. One mom relayed to me that in the homeschooling support group her family belongs to her family is the only family who is not Torah observant. The families that have taken on Torah observance all have the “Family Guide to Biblical Holidays” in common. The really interesting thing is that these families bought the book as curriculum to learn about Biblical Feasts and came away feeling commanded to keep not only the Feasts, but to become completely Torah observant. There is no such command to the Body of Christ to keep the Law or the Feasts.

All this information came early on in my investigation into what I've come to know as the Hebrew Roots Movement or Messianic Judaism. By May of last year, some of the moms on the digest encouraged me to start a blog with the information I had (the moderator at the mom's digest has all but shut out those of us who post anything challenging to the Law "keeping" stance) so folks would have a good place to start learning about the HRM and it's false doctrines. So I did =o). You can find that addy in my signature line below. JGIG is an account of "where the rubber meets the road" experiences and the research that those experiences led to.

I encourage you to maintain good communication with your friend . . . once in the HRM, it's difficult for those in to get out. The mom's digest I subscribe to has about 1500 subscribers and I'm sorry to say that many families have been led astray by the false and seductive doctrines taught in the HRM. Guard your heart also! Remember to look at anything your friend presents to you through the lens of the Gospel and the completed work of Christ. You'll find that HRM doctrine presented to you will always be through the lens of Torah, often tainted by Rabbinic influence which is in turn tainted by Jewish mysticism. Little is as it seems in the HRM . . . tread carefully and prayerfully.

Blessings and prayers as you go,

Vic,

Could clarify this paragraph please?

One of the things with the desire for more Hebraic and less Greek, it means the attack begins as undermining the Greek texts of the NT. The original 'must have been Hebrew, and XXX (xxx=what?) just happens to have that, but they (who) don't have them. Because they (what) don't exist. But that doesn't matter because they have the Hebrew Matthew, which is a polemic against Christ and Christians, targeting Christian Jews to return to Judaism. It's like a dominoe effect, once started, with the end result often being the rejection of Jesus Christ and the NT.

(04-09-2009 05:26 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2009 02:24 PM)4given Wrote: [ -> ]I've been in conversation this past few days with someone who as a Christian wants to learn more about her Hebraic Roots.......... sound familar?????

Well I've been trying to give her a few guidelines to follow I don't know the person very well so I am trying to build up a friendship with her so that she will trust what I warn her about - she told me this evening that she wants to:

Quote:just wanting to do things more Hebraic & less Greek influenced.

Well I ended up on sheep wrecked blog this evening and came across "Heart of Wisdom Publishing" and it rang a bell - so I checked and this homeschool mom I'm in contact with is using their material - so I guess that this is where she is getting the "urge" to do things hebraic.


Sheep wreaked have you any more info on this organisation?


Thanks

Hi 4given, I had actually researched it quite some time ago, because it is a mainstay throughout Messianic/HR proponents. And getting back to ones Hebraic Roots, Jewish Roots, lost roots etc etc etc....is just the carrot on the stick.

Heart of Wisdom books promotes the feasts and much more. THis is from my research from some time ago, so haven't checked to see if there is any updates to this information.

Quote:FAMILY GUIDE TO THE BIBLICAL HOLIDAYS: With Activities For All Ages By Robin Scarlata and Linda Pierce
This book is filled with information, lesson plans, special unit studies, craft ideas and other activities to help Christian families understand the purpose and meaning behind the "Holy Days" of the Bible. This is a "meaty" book, packed full of resources and ideas for families interested in learning more about the Jewish roots of Christianity, and yet simple enough for anyone to understand. You don't have to be an Old Testament scholar to appreciate this book!

(Published by Heart of Wisdom ISBN 0-89826-076-0 )

( Website: http://www.heartofwisdom.com )

Quote: http://www.heartofwisdom.com/Questions/robin.asp
Who is Robin Sampson?
Robin Sampson is a home schooling mother of eleven children and author of several acclaimed books including What Your Child Needs to Know When, A Family Guide to the Biblical Holidays, and the Heart of Wisdom Unit Studies. She has authored articles on education for Homeschool Today, Teaching Home and she is a regular contributor for the Home School Digest. She has been the keynote speaker and provided popular presentations at conferences, workshops and meetings since 1989.

Robin presents refreshing inspirational speeches, blending new information with well-grounded Biblical principles Employing all her invaluable knowledge and experience, Robin has been writing and speaking, covering a broad spectrum of home school topics, from education philosophies to the Biblical studies for over ten years. Robin actively lives her subject as she continues to home educate her five youngest children in northern Virginia.

Robin's husband, Ronnie is a computer engineer and deputy director with the Transportation Security Administration in Washington DC.

======

It is noteworthy that Robin's writing partner, Linda Pierce was found to be a leader in a CES Fellowship List, which is part of John Lynn's organization. John Lynn was former The Way International [TWI] leadership and when the org broke apart, CES was one of the splinter groups that was started.

TWI teachings rejected the divinity of Christ, denied the holocaust, etc. You can read more about it, and John Lynn in the following articles:

The Way International and John Lynn and CES > http://www.seekgod.ca/early.htm
1. Michael John Rood: Dad & Early Church Communications
.. along with John Lynn and Bo Reahard, .... member' John Lynn and associates also ..

2. The Reverend Michael John Rood > http://www.seekgod.ca/revrood.htm
.. for example, John Lynn's Christian Education ..

3. Michael John Rood: Marine Chaplain, Jewish Gentile Rabbi & Reverend? > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodmarine.htm

4. Michael John Rood: Continuing The WAY > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodways.htm
.. based on John Lynn's statement below. .... John Lynn stated in an .... 1987, including John Lynn, for entering .... listed issues, John Lynn states clearly ..

. Michael Rood was leadership in TWI and also promotes Heart of Wisdom and the Family Guide to The Biblical Holidays.

One of the things with the desire for more Hebraic and less Greek, it means the attack begins as undermining the Greek texts of the NT. The original 'must have been Hebrew, and XXX just happens to have that, but they don't have them. Because they don't exist. But that doesn't matter because they have the Hebrew Matthew, which is a polemic against Christ and Christians, targeting Christian Jews to return to Judaism. It's like a dominoe effect, once started, with the end result often being the rejection of Jesus Christ and the NT.
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(04-29-2009 03:12 PM)golfun Wrote: [ -> ]Vic,

Could clarify this paragraph please?

One of the things with the desire for more Hebraic and less Greek, it means the attack begins as undermining the Greek texts of the NT. The original 'must have been Hebrew, and XXX (xxx=what?) just happens to have that, but they (who) don't have them. Because they (what) don't exist. But that doesn't matter because they have the Hebrew Matthew, which is a polemic against Christ and Christians, targeting Christian Jews to return to Judaism. It's like a dominoe effect, once started, with the end result often being the rejection of Jesus Christ and the NT.

Hi golfun,

Certainly, and it should have been stated clearer.

The original 'must have been Hebrew, and XXX (meaning the specific HR leader or ministry) just happens to have that [an original hebrew bible/manuscripts, etc], but they (who--the specific HR leaders making the false claim of having original hebrew manuscripts) don't have them. Because they (what--original Hebrew manuscripts which don't exist) don't exist. But that doesn't matter because they have the Hebrew Matthew, which is a polemic against Christ and Christians, targeting Christian Jews to return to Judaism. It's like a dominoe effect, once started, with the end result often being the rejection of Jesus Christ and the NT.

The whole purpose of pushing the non existant hebrew manuscripts is to undermine the belief in the original Greek manuscripts used for the NT, which then destroys belief in the Christ of the NT. HR presents another 'messiah', which is another gospel and another Jesus---they fully view the Jesus Christians believe in, to be a pagan god or similar.

Does that help?