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I found this statement in another thread, but the part that I would like to focus on is "all those, who by blood atonement, would become partakers of the commonwealth of Israel"

sagebrush Wrote:It is the Lord’s Passover (v. 11), meaning that as Lord of all, this ordinance was ultimately intended for the participation of all those, who by blood atonement, would become partakers of the commonwealth of Israel.

NOTE: This topic is not going to focus on the Passover (there is already a thread on that topic....from where I got the quote).

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (Ephesians 2:11-13)

The only place in the NT where the commonwealth (which actually means citizenship) of Israel is mentioned is in Ephesians 2:12.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
4174. politeia
politeia pol-ee-ti'-ah

from 4177 ("polity"); citizenship; concretely, a community:--commonwealth, freedom.

Being "made nigh by the blood of Christ" does not mean becoming a partaker of an unbelieving nation. What being "made nigh" means is "brought near"...and to what are the Gentiles being "brought near" by the blood of Christ? I believe it is salvation by grace.

When a person (Jew or Gentile) is born again by the Spirit of God, that person is "baptized" into the "Body of Christ" (1 Cor. 12:13)

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)

Becoming "partakers of the commonwealth of Israel" through the blood of Christ is not found in Scriptures. All born again believers (Jew and Gentile) are members of the body of Christ. Ephesians 2:14-22 sums it up:

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (Ephesians 2:14)

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (Ephesians 2:15)

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (Ephesians 2:16)

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. (Ephesians 2:17)

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (Ephesians 2:19)

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; (Ephesians 2:20)

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (Ephesians 2:21)

In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (Ephesians 2:22)

Our identity is "in Christ"....it's all about Him.

Linda!

That was so well said that I can't think of what else to say right now.

PARTALERS OF THE COMMONWELTH ETC IS CONFUSING
MANY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TOO NE GRAFTED IN iSRAEL
I BELIEVED THAT TO FOR THE LONGEST TIME BUT
NOW I READ SOME THINGS ABOUT YESHUA/JESUS BEING THE ONE WE NEED TO BE RAFTED ON/IN
SO ISRAEL HAS BE GRAFED IN YESHUA/JESUS TO

(05-04-2009 05:55 PM)LindaR Wrote: [ -> ]The only place in the NT where the commonwealth (which actually means citizenship) of Israel is mentioned is in Ephesians 2:12.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
4174. politeia
politeia pol-ee-ti'-ah

from 4177 ("polity"); citizenship; concretely, a community:--commonwealth, freedom.


Becoming "partakers of the commonwealth of Israel" through the blood of Christ is not found in Scriptures. All born again believers (Jew and Gentile) are members of the body of Christ. Ephesians 2:14-22 sums it up:

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (Ephesians 2:14)


Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (Ephesians 2:19)

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; (Ephesians 2:20)

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (Ephesians 2:21)

In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (Ephesians 2:22)

Our identity is "in Christ"....it's all about Him.

you go girl!

I have one little thing to add that just might make your day

Phi 3:20 For our conversation [G4175] is in heaven; from where also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:


G4175
πολίτευμα
politeuma
Thayer Definition:
1) the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth
2) the constitution of a commonwealth, form of government and the laws by which it is administered
3) a state, commonwealth
3a) the commonwealth of citizens

(05-04-2009 10:02 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2009 05:55 PM)LindaR Wrote: [ -> ]The only place in the NT where the commonwealth (which actually means citizenship) of Israel is mentioned is in Ephesians 2:12.

Strong's Greek Dictionary
4174. politeia
politeia pol-ee-ti'-ah

from 4177 ("polity"); citizenship; concretely, a community:--commonwealth, freedom.


Becoming "partakers of the commonwealth of Israel" through the blood of Christ is not found in Scriptures. All born again believers (Jew and Gentile) are members of the body of Christ. Ephesians 2:14-22 sums it up:

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (Ephesians 2:14)


Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (Ephesians 2:19)

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; (Ephesians 2:20)

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (Ephesians 2:21)

In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (Ephesians 2:22)

Our identity is "in Christ"....it's all about Him.

you go girl!

I have one little thing to add that just might make your day

Phi 3:20 For our conversation [G4175] is in heaven; from where also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:


G4175
πολίτευμα
politeuma
Thayer Definition:
1) the administration of civil affairs or of a commonwealth
2) the constitution of a commonwealth, form of government and the laws by which it is administered
3) a state, commonwealth
3a) the commonwealth of citizens

Philippians 3:20 is a great verse....our citizenship is truly in heaven where we are seated (positionally) in Christ:

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (Ephesians 2:6)

There's some verses I love which also I think puts the root and the plant as it were to Christ.

John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Anyone who belongs to Christ is part of HIS vine. He is not only the Root but the Vine.

(05-05-2009 11:02 AM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]There's some verses I love which also I think puts the root and the plant as it were to Christ.

John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Anyone who belongs to Christ is part of HIS vine. He is not only the Root but the Vine.

Here's a few more:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16)

And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. (Romans 15:12)

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (Isaiah 53:2)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (Isaiah 11:10)

(05-05-2009 12:31 PM)LindaR Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a few more:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16)

And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. (Romans 15:12)

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (Isaiah 53:2)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (Isaiah 11:10)

ps: I was in a smiley mood

(05-05-2009 02:21 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2009 12:31 PM)LindaR Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a few more:

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16)

And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. (Romans 15:12)

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (Isaiah 53:2)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (Isaiah 11:10)

ps: I was in a smiley mood

(05-04-2009 06:08 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ] Linda!

That was so well said that I can't think of what else to say right now.

I think people would be less confused by this issue if they had it explained to them that...

Biblical Israelites and Babylonian Jewry are NOT the same thing. the Torah of the Israelite is NOT the same as the Talmud of Babylon.

Orthodox Jews are the Spiritual Descendants of the Pharisees and NOT of Biblical Torah and the Prophets.

They Admit this to other Jews in their Shiurs (lectures) but NOT to outsiders (gentiles). You CAN find it admitted within the Talmud itself.

It is just as Jesus said regarding this,

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

WHY?

Matthew 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men:

Read Mark chapter 7 in context to see what is still happening today. Orthodox Jews STILL have the handwashings before they eat.

The Mishna actually has a geneology like Matthew chapter 1 that states how they claim that the pharisees are religious descendants of Abraham and Moses. Even Gamaliel is listed, Paul however is not!

Jesus told them otherwise....

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham

We are the stones which have become partakers of the Tree of Abraham by Faith, being grafted into that tree by Christ Jesus.

Romans 11: 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Here is what has become of us. We should rejoice.

Romans 11: 18-19 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. * Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

and yet, some, as a church, DO BOAST!

Romans 11: 20-21 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: * For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee

And that is what the MJ/HRs should be thinking. Why do we want to become like the broken branches?

Instead of rejoicing that we have been grafted in by faith?