My name is Peg and I joined this forum today ( and posted my intro). I'd like to share my testimony, as I really feel like I need to do this. I became a Christian in 1977 at the age of 22 in a Baptist church. I met my husband (who was a new Christian) a year later and we got married 6 weeks after we met.
We both had a lot of things we needed to deal with in our lives but we wanted to dedicate our lives to the Lord totally ( and we have to the best of our ability with the help of the Holy Spirit).
We've been very involved in various ministries over the years and have been members of many different churches. We had always attended fairly conservative, evangelical type churches until about 10 years ago when we ended up in a liberal, mainline church in our small community (it was pretty conservative compared to others within the denomination).
We were very involved there, too, both of us were in leadership positions and were there 3 or 4 days a week.But after awhile we became very disillusioned with things as they were. We thought we were there to help make a difference in our community but it became clear that we were'nt as much as we'd hoped.
We ended up leaving that church and visited some others but were mostly discouraged. It was about this time that I met a lady at a skating rink that started telling me about her Hebrew roots faith. It sounded like just what we'd been searching for! I started reading everything I could find and was really into all of it. My husband didn"t buy into any of it at first.
He went to a Messianic men's retreat that was put on by a man who is part of FFOZ and then he got into it, too. We started going to a Hebraic roots congregation near our home but it had too much liturgy, which my husband really dislikes. Then we found another one that is 1 hour away from us that he just loves. I liked it at first but lately some things this pastor teaches have started to bother me.
My husband used to study the Bible and lead Bible studies and was an elder in our church. Now he doesn't study at all (except for the Torah portions for the week and FFOZ interpretions) My two teen-aged kids really don't buy into all this at all (although our 16 yr old son does go with us to the services) My 19 yr old daughter doesn' t go with us (and hardly goes to church at all anymore).
Our two grown kids still go to our old church. I can't talk to my husband about how I feel about this or the doubts I'm having now about Hebrew roots. It makes me really sad to see where we've ended up in our Christian walk. Yes, I am a CHRISTIAN! I have been for the last 32 years and always will be! I'm not a "Messianic Jewish Believer" or anything else. My salvation is through the shed blood of Jesus and nothing more... This Hebrew roots thing is a net just waiting to catch people, especially the ones who are really seeking the truth.
I don't know how this story wll end but I hope and pray that we find our way back to the true faith.
(05-12-2009 06:38 PM)live4Him Wrote: [ -> ]My name is Peg and I joined this forum today ( and posted my intro). I'd like to share my testimony, as I really feel like I need to do this. I became a Christian in 1977 at the age of 22 in a Baptist church. I met my husband (who was a new Christian) a year later and we got married 6 weeks after we met.
We both had a lot of things we needed to deal with in our lives but we wanted to dedicate our lives to the Lord totally ( and we have to the best of our ability with the help of the Holy Spirit).
We've been very involved in various ministries over the years and have been members of many different churches. We had always attended fairly conservative, evangelical type churches until about 10 years ago when we ended up in a liberal, mainline church in our small community (it was pretty conservative compared to others within the denomination).
We were very involved there, too, both of us were in leadership positions and were there 3 or 4 days a week.But after awhile we became very disillusioned with things as they were. We thought we were there to help make a difference in our community but it became clear that we were'nt as much as we'd hoped.
We ended up leaving that church and visited some others but were mostly discouraged. It was about this time that I met a lady at a skating rink that started telling me about her Hebrew roots faith. It sounded like just what we'd been searching for! I started reading everything I could find and was really into all of it. My husband didn"t buy into any of it at first.
He went to a Messianic men's retreat that was put on by a man who is part of FFOZ and then he got into it, too. We started going to a Hebraic roots congregation near our home but it had too much liturgy, which my husband really dislikes. Then we found another one that is 1 hour away from us that he just loves. I liked it at first but lately some things this pastor teaches have started to bother me.
My husband used to study the Bible and lead Bible studies and was an elder in our church. Now he doesn't study at all (except for the Torah portions for the week and FFOZ interpretions) My two teen-aged kids really don't buy into all this at all (although our 16 yr old son does go with us to the services) My 19 yr old daughter doesn' t go with us (and hardly goes to church at all anymore).
Our two grown kids still go to our old church. I can't talk to my husband about how I feel about this or the doubts I'm having now about Hebrew roots. It makes me really sad to see where we've ended up in our Christian walk. Yes, I am a CHRISTIAN! I have been for the last 32 years and always will be! I'm not a "Messianic Jewish Believer" or anything else. My salvation is through the shed blood of Jesus and nothing more... This Hebrew roots thing is a net just waiting to catch people, especially the ones who are really seeking the truth.
I don't know how this story wll end but I hope and pray that we find our way back to the true faith.
Hi live4him;
I am reading a devotional by Watchman Nee right now and today I read a few quotes which may capsualize your situation.
"Only what is in the Holy Spirit is real spiritually, because all spiritual things are nurtured by the Spirit. Once something is outside the Spirit, it turns into letters, forms, and doctrine, which are dead. Spiritual things are real, living, and full of life only when they are in the Holy Spirit."
"Just as no one can ever perceive spiritual things with his eyes fixed on the material world, similarly, no one can ever think through to the spiritual realm with his brain."
"There is something that the Bible calls 'truth.' It is nothing other than reality. In relating to this truth-this reality-one is delivered from doctrines, letters, human thoughts, and human ways."
"When a person contacts the reality of the Holy Spirit, he touches life. If what he contacts is merely doctrine, he will not receive life."
-the above four quotes are all by Watchman Nee.
I hope this helps peg. As I have experienced what you are describing Peg I believe I can help through Christ to shed some light on your situation. Please feel free to contact me *****---edited out by Vic
(05-12-2009 06:38 PM)live4Him Wrote: [ -> ]I liked it at first but lately some things this pastor teaches have started to bother me.
May I ask what teachings have started to bother you?
(05-12-2009 09:54 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]They used to cover up the connection with the Talmud by calling the Rabbinical system, ancient sages or sages or ancient writings. Then they would quote from these Christ denying Rabbis as if they had such wonderful insight into the "renewed" covenant - which they also secretly promote under the guise of "new". FFOZ is a continual stream of kabbalah and Talmud. I was shocked when I started receiving the "e-drosh" for kids. They no longer hide the affiliation with the Talmud, but use it openly for understanding of Jesus Christ and are teaching this to the kids.
I could see where this could be quite distressing to you and others.
Talmud, kabbalah,the writings of our sages...they have no place
amongst Christianity nor amongst anyone who accepts Jesus as
moshiach.
Quote:The Talmud is the most polemic writing - denigrating, denying, and blaspheming Christ openly
I would like to point out, however,that this is not true. The Christian
Jesus is not mentioned in the Talmud; what you are thinking of is
a separate character.
When you get right down to it, however, Messianics are going to HAVE
to rely on oral law/talmud. Where else are they going to learn how
to use tallis, tiztzit, mezzuah and all the other Jewish things they
love to copy so much?
That's why they are never going to be able to remove themselves
from it...as much as they themselves often denigrate it.
Quote:.....bar mitzveh
Yeah, what's up with gentiles having bar/bat mitzvahs for their kids?
The whole meaning of a bar/bat mitzvah is that the child is now,
according to Jewish law, responsible for keeping all the mitzvot.
So first, it doesn't apply to their kids because they aren't Jews
and second, where in Torah does it mention anything about
bar mitzvahs?
Oh, that's right it doesn't .....
(07-02-2009 12:07 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]Messys believe that the traditions of Judaism were always so, not realizing that these things were not practiced in the first century. If memory serves me right, bar mitzvah's became part of practicing Judaism in the middle ages. So methinks the obvious question is, then why is there such a thing as a bar mitzvah if it's not in Torah? 
Actually the concept of bar mitzvah, the boy becoming responsible for observing the mitzvot is found in the Talmud.
However, as you noted the actual celebration of this event was not
instituted until the middle ages. Until then, it was just a time that was
noted as when the boy needed to observe the mitzvot .
No parties or celebrations though....
(05-12-2009 06:38 PM)live4Him Wrote: [ -> ]My name is Peg and I joined this forum today ( and posted my intro). I'd like to share my testimony, as I really feel like I need to do this. I became a Christian in 1977 at the age of 22 in a Baptist church. I met my husband (who was a new Christian) a year later and we got married 6 weeks after we met.
We both had a lot of things we needed to deal with in our lives but we wanted to dedicate our lives to the Lord totally ( and we have to the best of our ability with the help of the Holy Spirit).
We've been very involved in various ministries over the years and have been members of many different churches. We had always attended fairly conservative, evangelical type churches until about 10 years ago when we ended up in a liberal, mainline church in our small community (it was pretty conservative compared to others within the denomination).
We were very involved there, too, both of us were in leadership positions and were there 3 or 4 days a week.But after awhile we became very disillusioned with things as they were. We thought we were there to help make a difference in our community but it became clear that we were'nt as much as we'd hoped.
We ended up leaving that church and visited some others but were mostly discouraged. It was about this time that I met a lady at a skating rink that started telling me about her Hebrew roots faith. It sounded like just what we'd been searching for! I started reading everything I could find and was really into all of it. My husband didn"t buy into any of it at first.
He went to a Messianic men's retreat that was put on by a man who is part of FFOZ and then he got into it, too. We started going to a Hebraic roots congregation near our home but it had too much liturgy, which my husband really dislikes. Then we found another one that is 1 hour away from us that he just loves. I liked it at first but lately some things this pastor teaches have started to bother me.
My husband used to study the Bible and lead Bible studies and was an elder in our church. Now he doesn't study at all (except for the Torah portions for the week and FFOZ interpretions) My two teen-aged kids really don't buy into all this at all (although our 16 yr old son does go with us to the services) My 19 yr old daughter doesn' t go with us (and hardly goes to church at all anymore).
Our two grown kids still go to our old church. I can't talk to my husband about how I feel about this or the doubts I'm having now about Hebrew roots. It makes me really sad to see where we've ended up in our Christian walk. Yes, I am a CHRISTIAN! I have been for the last 32 years and always will be! I'm not a "Messianic Jewish Believer" or anything else. My salvation is through the shed blood of Jesus and nothing more... This Hebrew roots thing is a net just waiting to catch people, especially the ones who are really seeking the truth.
I don't know how this story wll end but I hope and pray that we find our way back to the true faith.
Hello Peg,
Thanks for sharing your testimony. I can almost feel the desperation and your desire to find your way in Christ. I believe the Lord wants me to share something with you that He recently told me. It seems that I am constantly seeking the Lord about what He wants me to do, where He wants me to go, and even, what are you doing in my life (what's going on). Recently the Lord told me to just rest, and love Him and serve Him right where I'm at. He also had a sister send me a word stating the very same thing. I knew His assurance through that, and that I am right where He wants me.
In my walk with the Lord these last few years, I have found one thing consistent, without exception. God's faithfulness. It's going to be okay. God's got this and you couldn't mess it up if you tried. God always continues to be faithful even when we're faithless. I'm not saying that you're faithless. I'm just saying that God is always faithful, without exception, and He will finish the work He has begun in you.
love ya,
Chris
It has destroyed many and is trying to be the bridge from Christianity into Hebrew roots. And they and many others are there waiting for people who leave churches with full intent in living for Christ. 
