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For those who are Messianics or ex-Messianics,
what is this belief that they hold that they are
"spiritual Jews"? There is no such concept in
Judaism, so I'm wonder what it is?

(07-06-2009 03:43 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]For those who are Messianics or ex-Messianics,
what is this belief that they hold that they are
"spiritual Jews"? There is no such concept in
Judaism, so I'm wonder what it is?

I am not quite sure what you mean. Most Messys believe they are bloodline Jews through the "lost tribes" aka Ephramites. Those who do not hold to the "lost" tribes doctrine believe they are going back to the Hebraic or Jewish roots of the faith [Christianity].

The only NT text that comes to mind is:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Paul is speaking allegorically here. It was not meant to be a literal application. He is simply showing that when one believes in Christ, they are the children of God - that it is not bloodline that makes one a child of God, but belief in Christ.

Here the term"spiritual jew"means replacemnt theology
the church would be the spiritual jews then.

EMJE

(07-06-2009 07:32 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]I am not quite sure what you mean.

I don't either, since I don't understand the concept

Quote:Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I think that is the quote they were using; and taking it literally.

(07-06-2009 08:20 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I think that is the quote they were using; and taking it literally.

Yes, that is a problem As emje pointed out, it's replacement theology - which simply means they believe the church replaced the Jews. This is SO terribly wrong. The New Covenant embraces all believing Jews and Gentiles in Christ as "one new man"

(07-06-2009 09:12 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2009 08:20 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I think that is the quote they were using; and taking it literally.

Yes, that is a problem As emje pointed out, it's replacement theology - which simply means they believe the church replaced the Jews. This is SO terribly wrong. The New Covenant embraces all believing Jews and Gentiles in Christ as "one new man"

This is what "replacement theology" is (I never knew what it meant)? Could anyone get more anti-Jewish than that, and changing what Scripture says about there being neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ? No wonder that Jews who know about this junk doctrine may be bitter toward Christianity.

(01-27-2010 04:19 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2009 09:12 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2009 08:20 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I think that is the quote they were using; and taking it literally.

Yes, that is a problem As emje pointed out, it's replacement theology - which simply means they believe the church replaced the Jews. This is SO terribly wrong. The New Covenant embraces all believing Jews and Gentiles in Christ as "one new man"

This is what "replacement theology" is (I never knew what it meant)? Could anyone get more anti-Jewish than that, and changing what Scripture says about there being neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ? No wonder that Jews who know about this junk doctrine may be bitter toward Christianity.

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The replacement is not of the Jews but of the Jewish Theology. The Jews are accepted back but they have to join a new covenant in Christianity. It means we have been robbed of our religion.