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I have seen some bibles have Paul listed as the author of Hebrews and some say author unknown. The style of writing looks very similar to Pauls' other epistles. Does anyone know for sure whether he is the writer?

(07-29-2009 12:15 PM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen some bibles have Paul listed as the author of Hebrews and some say author unknown. The style of writing looks very similar to Pauls' other epistles. Does anyone know for sure whether he is the writer?

I don't think there has ever been a clear consensus as to who wrote Hebrews. I have heard so many options like like Priscilla, Apollos, Barnabas, and even Mary, Jesus' mother!!!

I tend to agree with you that Paul wrote it. I see a lot of similarities to his other writings in Hebrews.

Of course with all the conjecture, it has also been said in the Messianic Hebrew Roots venue that because we don't know the author, it's not inspired. It is becoming more "popular" also, in HR these days, to promote that Hebrews "is about as inspired as the Cat in the Hat" and some have deleted it from their NT.

Monte Judah, a well known "teacher/leader" in HR [thinks he is Moses and will lead Messianics to Israel for a second Exodus ] has relegated the book of Hebrews to the trash pile It is no wonder that HR has major problems with the book of Hebrews because it puts a VERY wet blanket on their "law keeping" and a future implementation of the sacrificial system in the third temple - which they believe they will be "partaking" of and Jesus will be overseeing it personally

(07-29-2009 12:15 PM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen some bibles have Paul listed as the author of Hebrews and some say author unknown. The style of writing looks very similar to Pauls' other epistles. Does anyone know for sure whether he is the writer?

I wish it was Peter, then maybe the Vatican would pay attention to it. But then, they don't even pay attention to 1st and 2nd Peter.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


My own conviction is that Paul wrote Hebrews.

But in the final analysis,

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

(07-29-2009 12:37 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2009 12:15 PM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen some bibles have Paul listed as the author of Hebrews and some say author unknown. The style of writing looks very similar to Pauls' other epistles. Does anyone know for sure whether he is the writer?

I wish it was Peter, then maybe the Vatican would pay attention to it. But then, they don't even pay attention to 1st and 2nd Peter.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


My own conviction is that Paul wrote Hebrews.

But in the final analysis,

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Preach it Brother!!!

(07-29-2009 12:34 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]Of course with all the conjecture, it has also been said in the Messianic Hebrew Roots venue that because we don't know the author, it's not inspired. It is becoming more "popular" also, in HR these days, to promote that Hebrews "is about as inspired as the Cat in the Hat" and some have deleted it from their NT.

Yes, I came across another lie not too long ago. Apparently, it is almost 2,000 years old and it is being "resurrected". The lie that the Apostle Paul was not an Apostle called by God.

So much for Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Collossians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy and Philemon.

Who in the world was that "masked" man???

But, yeah, Hebrews sounds like Paul. He was a "Hebrew of the Hebrews" and his understanding of the OT coupled with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, certainly comes out in this book.

Love it!! Paul is still filling the Pharisees with rage to this day and they are still trying to "KILL" him.

Act 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
Act 9:23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

(07-29-2009 01:55 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2009 12:34 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]Of course with all the conjecture, it has also been said in the Messianic Hebrew Roots venue that because we don't know the author, it's not inspired. It is becoming more "popular" also, in HR these days, to promote that Hebrews "is about as inspired as the Cat in the Hat" and some have deleted it from their NT.

Yes, I came across another lie not too long ago. Apparently, it is almost 2,000 years old and it is being "resurrected". The lie that the Apostle Paul was not an Apostle called by God.

So much for Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Collossians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy and Philemon.

Who in the world was that "masked" man???

But, yeah, Hebrews sounds like Paul. He was a "Hebrew of the Hebrews" and his understanding of the OT coupled with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, certainly comes out in this book.

Love it!! Paul is still filling the Pharisees with rage to this day and they are still trying to "KILL" him.

Act 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
Act 9:23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Yes, indeedy - the war against Paul is definitely being propelled in many areas today. The most vicious screed is that he is the anti-christ that Jesus warned about. Then some of Paul's words are quoted out of context to "prove" that he is teaching another gospel. The war against him, is really a war against Christ - any way to preach an accursed gospel. I am glad that Paul is not here to witness it. It fills me with revulsion.

(07-29-2009 03:07 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2009 01:55 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2009 12:34 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]Of course with all the conjecture, it has also been said in the Messianic Hebrew Roots venue that because we don't know the author, it's not inspired. It is becoming more "popular" also, in HR these days, to promote that Hebrews "is about as inspired as the Cat in the Hat" and some have deleted it from their NT.

Yes, I came across another lie not too long ago. Apparently, it is almost 2,000 years old and it is being "resurrected". The lie that the Apostle Paul was not an Apostle called by God.

So much for Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Collossians, Phillipians, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy and Philemon.

Who in the world was that "masked" man???

But, yeah, Hebrews sounds like Paul. He was a "Hebrew of the Hebrews" and his understanding of the OT coupled with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, certainly comes out in this book.

Love it!! Paul is still filling the Pharisees with rage to this day and they are still trying to "KILL" him.

Act 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
Act 9:23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Yes, indeedy - the war against Paul is definitely being propelled in many areas today. The most vicious screed is that he is the anti-christ that Jesus warned about. Then some of Paul's words are quoted out of context to "prove" that he is teaching another gospel. The war against him, is really a war against Christ - any way to preach an accursed gospel. I am glad that Paul is not here to witness it. It fills me with revulsion.

Yes! That is what I heard. That he was the Anti-Christ. I had forgotten until you just mentioned it.

I am by no means, or anyone's imagination, a biblical scholar of any sorts, though by doing a brief thirty-minute study, it would appear that the earliest of scholars actually believed it to be a work of Matthew, including Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus aka Saint Jerome.

It is listed in the Codex Barococcio, 206AD, before the official canonization.

Additionally, further searching list it as being not the only "Jewish Gospel" as it was so coined. The other two were:
The Gospel of the Nazarenes, (which was read in Semitic speech and used among the Nazarenes and was similar to canonical Matthew,) and
The Gospel of the Ebionites, (which was used by heretical Jewish Christians).

Whether it is of Paul or Matthew I don't honestly believe it really matters. What matters is the message; (which falls lock-step in with other Gospel writings,) which the HRM would disapprove or spin like a'la'hoola-hoop.

That they call Paul a heretic or the false prophet, it really doesn't matter, and it didn't really change the price of tea in China during Paul's time either.

The fact that I can go in many rooms and simply type the name Jesus, and have people cringe or fly off the handle like the witch in the Wizard of Oz is telling enough for me, and when those same mouth-pieces go off on a tangent and starts ripping pages from the Bible, and/or calling any one of them a heretic, I look at the source.

(07-31-2009 02:32 AM)grafted Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it is of Paul or Matthew I don't honestly believe it really matters. What matters is the message; (which falls lock-step in with other Gospel writings,) which the HRM would disapprove or spin like a'la'hoola-hoop.

(07-29-2009 01:55 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: [ -> ]Act 9:22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
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Thanx for this verse! It really hit me as a perfect refutation for Messianics who say that Paul kept the Law. If he was promoting it and keeping it so perfectly, then why did the Jews [religious] want to kill him? They should have been pleased that he was continuing in the Law and showing them their Messiah!