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(01-28-2010 02:17 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2010 01:48 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]My dad and I used to be members of the WWCoG in like 1991. We had to observe the Saturday Sabbath and the "Jewish" feast days and eat only clean animals. One teaching that made me uneasy was that "we white, English-speaking people of Britain and the USA" (their words) are the true Israelite descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh. Some of us, including myself, wore Star of David jewellery. It still gets on my nerves that my dad and I fell for that tripe and that I was a @#%!! cult member.

Actually, British Israelism, which Armstrong promoted and taught - is the foundation for the two house theology/doctrine being pushed in Hebrew Roots. It's sort of taken on a life of its own within that venue, but most definitely the "true Israelite descendants of Ephraim" are who they believe they are.

Don't feel bad - I was mixed up in that mess too! Thank God for His grace and that He has taken off the blinders!

I am glad to meet people who know what on earth I am talking about! If I tried to explain it to most people here and in the UK I would get odd looks. No1

(01-28-2010 03:40 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]I am glad to meet people who know what on earth I am talking about! If I tried to explain it to most people here and in the UK I would get odd looks.

I believe that this concept was actually birthed in the UK - hence the name "British Israelism" Swoon

(09-08-2009 03:24 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone here see any scriptural basis for the "two house theology"
(at least I think that is the proper terminology) where gentiles are
claiming they are "Hebrews" or "Ephramites"-descendents of one of
the lost 10 tribes. How they have decided that they are "Hebrews"
is beyond me.

Personally, I think it is just a desire on their part to belong to
a covenant that is not theirs....a wannabe Jew, if you wish.

There is a local radio show made up of a group of these people,
and they make it a point never to call themselves gentiles, and
always refer to themselves as "Hebrews". They seem to think
this makes them no longer gentile, but an "Israelite", as if it
bestows upon them some special status and favor.

They have, of course, absolutely no evidence that any of this is
true; and to claim to be a member of a lost tribe that was dispersed
so many years ago is impossible.
To me, in essence, that either makes them liars or wishful thinkers.
Or perhaps, a little crazy.

Comments?

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Yes SheitlQueen, I mean, I agree with you. And for my comments, as a result of my studies on the so-called "Two House Theology, I have come to the conclusion that since the day God rejected the Tent of Joseph or the Ten Tribes of the North and confirmed the election of Judah in the South, according to Psalm 78:67-69, the Two House Theology is gone.

The Ten Tribe House Theology was known as Messiah ben Joseph, while
the Judah House Theology in the South was known as Messiah ben David. To have a much better idea in details, you might want to read my thread "Messiah ben Joseph versus Messiah ben David." Good luck!
Ben

(03-13-2010 12:39 PM)Ben Masada Wrote: [ -> ]Yes SheitlQueen, I mean, I agree with you. And for my comments, as a result of my studies on the so-called "Two House Theology, I have come to the conclusion that since the day God rejected the Tent of Joseph or the Ten Tribes of the North and confirmed the election of Judah in the South, according to Psalm 78:67-69, the Two House Theology is gone.

The Ten Tribe House Theology was known as Messiah ben Joseph, while
the Judah House Theology in the South was known as Messiah ben David. To have a much better idea in details, you might want to read my thread "Messiah ben Joseph versus Messiah ben David." Good luck!
Ben

Perhaps you could explain why the the Southern Kingdom was made up of ALL the tribes after the return of all BOTH houses after their captivities? God never rejected the northern kingdoms totally. Do you even understand OT prophecy and history?

(03-13-2010 01:43 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2010 12:39 PM)Ben Masada Wrote: [ -> ]Yes SheitlQueen, I mean, I agree with you. And for my comments, as a result of my studies on the so-called "Two House Theology, I have come to the conclusion that since the day God rejected the Tent of Joseph or the Ten Tribes of the North and confirmed the election of Judah in the South, according to Psalm 78:67-69, the Two House Theology is gone.

The Ten Tribe House Theology was known as Messiah ben Joseph, while
the Judah House Theology in the South was known as Messiah ben David. To have a much better idea in details, you might want to read my thread "Messiah ben Joseph versus Messiah ben David." Good luck!
Ben

Perhaps you could explain why the the Southern Kingdom was made up of ALL the tribes after the return of all BOTH houses after their captivities? God never rejected the northern kingdoms totally. Do you even understand OT prophecy and history?

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When Israel, the Kingdom of the North was taken away by the Assyrians, it was the Divine plan to reject Israel for good. Those years between this tragedy and the time for Judah to be exiled to Babylon temporarily, there was a moratorium for a few thousands from the Ten Tribes and most of the Tribe of Levi to join back Judah, but no longer within the Tribal system. Now, the People had become one. The main stem was from the Tribe of Judah, but thousands of Israel had joined and many converted from the Gentiles.

If you read Hosea 1:6,7, you will see that, yes, God did reject the Ten Tribes, and the word used is "utterly." Then, you have Psalm 78:67-69 I have mentioned above. God did reject the Tent of Joseph and confirmed that of Judah. Now, all references to the New Israel is a reference to the People as one: The House of Jacob. (Isa. 48:1)

Regarding your question about the prophecies of the Tanakh and History, be a little more specific and try me. I have been studying a few of the prophecies.
Ben

(03-17-2010 03:50 PM)Ben Masada Wrote: [ -> ]When Israel, the Kingdom of the North was taken away by the Assyrians, it was the Divine plan to reject Israel for good. Those years between this tragedy and the time for Judah to be exiled to Babylon temporarily, there was a moratorium for a few thousands from the Ten Tribes and most of the Tribe of Levi to join back Judah, but no longer within the Tribal system. Now, the People had become one. The main stem was from the Tribe of Judah, but thousands of Israel had joined and many converted from the Gentiles.

If you read Hosea 1:6,7, you will see that, yes, God did reject the Ten Tribes, and the word used is "utterly." Then, you have Psalm 78:67-69 I have mentioned above. God did reject the Tent of Joseph and confirmed that of Judah. Now, all references to the New Israel is a reference to the People as one: The House of Jacob. (Isa. 48:1)

God did not reject the ten tribes in Hosea. He said "utterly" of the KING of Israel - not the whole kingdom. God did not reject Joseph either. If He did, then there is a huge problem because Ezekiel [125 years *after* Hosea] refers to Joseph and also 200 years *after* Hosea, Zechariah refers to Joseph and how God would save them. Those are just two examples.

Eze 48:32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.

Zec 10:6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.

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