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(06-29-2010 08:20 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) used to preach all of the above, in addition to saying that Ephraim and Manasseh nowadays are the USA and the UK. They used those same things-named-after-Dan "examples". At least they were saying that when I was a member. They used the hexagram too for some reason. They never called themselves Jews, thank goodness.

yeah, Armstrong promoted British Israelism which two-house promotes with a twist. Although I believe that if they considered Ephraim and Manasseh were the US and the UK, they do believe they have Jewish blood. This is where HR gets its ridiculous theory from. And boy do they hate it when you say they teach Brit-Is

The Dan thing and Hebrew names of towns, counties, and cities in the USA are "proof" to Hebrew Roots that the lost tribes are here as well.

The Mormans believe they are the lost tribes, too. Recently, I saw a documentary on testing their DNA and it was shown that the Mormans do not have Jewish blood.

(02-07-2010 04:43 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent series of articles, Vic.

They answer the same old declarations Messyantics make:
we need to get back to "our" Jewish roots, you have to read
the bible with a "Hebraic" mindset (I have yet to truly understand
what that means)and Christianity is full of "paganism".
All of which is utter garbage, of course.

Why is it "utter garbage" ?

(09-03-2010 03:04 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2010 04:43 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent series of articles, Vic.

They answer the same old declarations Messyantics make:
we need to get back to "our" Jewish roots, you have to read
the bible with a "Hebraic" mindset (I have yet to truly understand
what that means)and Christianity is full of "paganism".
All of which is utter garbage, of course.

Why is it "utter garbage" ?

Thought you left, according to your Introduction. Be forewarned, your intro didn't leave a good impression.

(11-04-2010 07:18 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]With Hanukkah and Christmas just around the corner, I have finally posted the articles dealing with these issues. Hanukkah is promoted by HR and Messianics over and instead of "pagan Christmas."

http://www.seekgod.ca/index.htm > you can see the new list of articles which include the following Myths

Myth. Jesus celebrated Hannukah not Christmas, and we should be celebrating Channukah instead of pagan Christmas.

Myth. Hanukkah commemorates the miracle of the oil and the victory of the Maccabees over the Gentile rule and should be celebrated by those in Hebrew Roots or Messianics instead of pagan Christmas.

Myth. God ordained Hanukkah and it is Scriptural, therefore Messianics and Christians should celebrate it instead of Christmas. The ceremonies are found in the Scriptures.

Myth: The Hanukkah Menorah with nine candles symbolizes Christ and therefore all Messianics and Christians should be celebrating Hanukkah instead of pagan Christmas.

Myth. Christians believe Christmas is Jesus' birthday.

Or go to > Topichr >Hebrew Roots FAQS & Myths >
section > Sacrifices, Feasts, Celebrations > http://www.seekgod.ca/topichr.htm#faq3

The biggest myth of all is that the gentile Messies think they
need to celebrate a holiday that does not concern them.
It is not in the Torah. Aren't they the ones that decry
following the "traditions of men"? What do they think they
are doing by observing Chanukah? (as well as all the
other Jewish observance they copy.....)

HI SheitlQueen,

The contradictions always seem to abound with HR and Messianics. Hanukkah is totally for Jews practicing Judaism. And yes they all spew the traditions of men stuff, and following Torah or the Scriptures and then ignore the Scriptures and follow their own set of ideas.

The number of people following these ideas appears to be growing despite the lack of factual or Biblical foundations that they propagate.

Quote:What do they think they
are doing by observing Chanukah? (as well as all the
other Jewish observance they copy.....)

Many do think they are obeying God by doing these things.My heart goes out to many out there who are drawn into these things because they do sincerely want to please God and have been led to think that doing these things makes one more obedient and thus pleasing in God's eyes.
Sadly such things will not draw us closer to God Himself but will kind of make us feel good in the flesh.The focus is then taken of our need to be saved and changed and instead it falls on what we do to make ourselves acceptable to God.
I have noticed throughout the years that messianics also tend to focus so much on preparing for the festivals and the Sabbath that the weightier matters that Christ spoke of get ignored.The looking after and visiting the sick,poor,imprisoned gets forgotten.The willingness to serve and to minister and proclaim the Good News also dwindles.Torah and judaism seem to replace the Gospel.

(11-05-2010 08:02 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]HI SheitlQueen,



The number of people following these ideas appears to be growing despite the lack of factual or Biblical foundations that they propagate.

yes, unfortunately you are quite right.
My belief has always been that they are attracted first
to the copying of Jewish observance and Jewish style
worship, and later by the theology.
All you have to do is look at one of their "synagogues" or photos
of them-they try to out Jew Jews.
It's all very silly.

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(11-05-2010 09:55 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote: [ -> ]I have noticed throughout the years that messianics also tend to focus so much on preparing for the festivals and the Sabbath that the weightier matters that Christ spoke of get ignored.The looking after and visiting the sick,poor,imprisoned gets forgotten.The willingness to serve and to minister and proclaim the Good News also dwindles.Torah and judaism seem to replace the Gospel.[/color][/b]

I agree. I listen to a Messie radio program once in awhile, for amusement,
and I have noticed that. They almost never mention "Yeshua" and
they never mention the NT. On occasion they have a day they
devote to the Torah portion of the week, and they never get to the
portion of the NT that Messies read in addition to the parsha. They
only speak about the Torah and haftorah portions.

Many of them are out to convert Christians to the
Messy faith. They say Christians are not saved if they do not
observe Torah.

Quote:Many of them are out to convert Christians to the
Messy faith. They say Christians are not saved if they do not
observe Torah.

I have noticed that too.Messianics are more interested in targetting Christians (who already know Christ and have accepted Him) than those who are not saved and in need of the Good News.
I have also noticed that many don't wish to witness or to proclaim Christ to the jewish people.Instead they target those who already know Christ and then teach them that all they have learnt is derived from paganism and how one must become more jewish in order to be like Jesus.
What I have seen though is that for many of these people, they initially get drawn to Judaism but then eventually find fault with that too.Then they end up worse than before since their faith is affected and sadly many end up confused and having lost the joy they once had in Christ.

(11-07-2010 09:51 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote: [ -> ][b][color=#4B0082]I have noticed that too.Messianics are more interested in targetting Christians (who already know Christ and have accepted Him) than those who are not saved and in need of the Good News.

A few of the Messies are outright against evangelizing Jews.
There are few Jews in the world, and most of them are not interested in
becoming a Messy, so I think that the Messies have moved onto targeting
Christians to justify themselves.

Quote:.Instead they target those who already know Christ and then teach them that all they have learnt is derived from paganism and how one must become more jewish in order to be like Jesus.

Yes, they continually speak about how Christianity arose from paganism,
and how this belief or that practice is pagan. Funny thing is, you can, if
you have a vivid imagination, think just about anything arose from paganism. So I could list out the Messies beliefs and outline how they to are pagan. Some organization even thinks the statue of liberty is of pagan origin, representing a pagan godess. You can take to any level if you really
try.

Quote:What I have seen though is that for many of these people, they initially get drawn to Judaism but then eventually find fault with that too.

I see over and over again Messies who want to desperately be Jews, who want to convert, but they just can't give up Jesus. So they try to meld the Jew they want to be with the Christian beliefs they still hold. They simply cannot see that it is not possible, and in the long run they are going to have to make a choice-or hold onto a joyless, man made religion.