09-04-2010, 02:05 PM
(09-03-2010 08:43 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]"A certain sect of the Pharisees" not all of them.
Did Jesus give His approval to any sect of the Pharisees?
Quote:Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
softim: Meaning the Traditions of men, not the Torah.
Fathers, in this verse does not refer to the traditions of men else it would have stated such. The Fathers are the Israelites who could not keep Torah either. It was a yoke about their necks as the OT and NT clearly shows.
G3962 -fathers
πατήρ
patēr
Thayer Definition:
1) generator or male ancestor
1a) either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
1b) a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
1b1) fathers, i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Quote:I found this while looking up the verse that says to abstain from eating strangled things and blood (and presumably live animals), Acts 15:20. I was thinking of a sadistic "gourmet" dish called pressed duck, made by strangling a duck to preserve its blood, which will then become part of its sauce.
softim: "and from blood" means not eating animals that were not Kosher, the blood is drain out when an animal is killed in the Kosher manner. 23 "Only you shall not eat its blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water. (Deu 15:23 NAS)
That text is not referring to non-kosher meat.
Deu 15:19 All the firstling males that come of thy herd and of thy flock thou shalt sanctify unto the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work with the firstling of thy bullock, nor shear the firstling of thy sheep.
Deu 15:20 Thou shalt eat it before the LORD thy God year by year in the place which the LORD shall choose, thou and thy household.
Deu 15:21 And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the LORD thy God.
Deu 15:22 Thou shalt eat it within thy gates: the unclean and the clean person shall eat it alike, as the roebuck, and as the hart.
Deu 15:23 Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
Quote:That's where gravy comes from - a blend of meat "juices" which includes blood.I think Acts 20 is referring to the eating of raw meat - which I believe was a pagan practice at that time. There is no way all of the blood can be removed from the meat, so there has to be some discernment as to what is spoken of.
softim: Yes it can they drain the blood and then you salt to pull the rest of the blood out and don't eat things cooked "rare or medium rare"
Perhaps you are not aware that some blood remains in the meat. You cannot remove it all. I used to get kosher meat shipped in from a Rabbinically approved slaughter house. There was always blood in the tray. Even if you drain it all day with kosher salt, there is still blood that comes out.
Where in the Bible does it say you are not to eat meat that is rare or medium rare?