09-05-2010, 03:05 PM
(09-04-2010 08:10 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ](09-04-2010 01:44 AM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ](09-03-2010 05:41 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry Vic seems to me you're on a witch hunt.All I read is everybody that's a Messianic is a Kabblist and they have no chance at even defending themselves.(09-03-2010 01:44 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]This forum is so anti-messianicthat at the start I already quit.
Hi there, Softim,
Actually this forum is very pro-Christ, pro-Scriptural Truth, pro- New Covenant and pro living for Christ, so that you probably have issues with that. But I am glad you decided tobecause it saves a lot of repetitive posts, HR spamming, and attempts at new threads which violates forum rules, instead of actually abiding said rules and reading the already well addressed messianic and hebrew roots rhetoric which have been proven Scripturally and factually in error. But you keep with whatever makes you happy.
I don't buy what your dealing here. One thing I do understand and that's this verse is sooo true:
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
(Rev 12:17-1 NAS) That's what sites like yours do--make war on the children of Israel.
NAS Psalm 1:1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season, And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.
4 The wicked are not so, But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
(Psa 1:1-6 NAS)
I hope learn the truth soon--Bye
Well, Softim you saying "Bye" is the first polite thing you have done on this forum.Perhaps if you hung out awhile and didn't say anything you would learn even more manners.
Quote:As far as " I hope learn the truth soon"...I assume you were actually saying you hope you will learn the truth soon and flee HR.I highly doubt that.
Quote: But I suspect with the fruit you are exhibiting towards others and total lack of care and love towards anyone, that it will take a massive smack from God for you to actually pay attention to the Scriptures and facts that are presented here.Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as far as a massive smack from God is concerned did you ever consider that you are bearing false witness and blaspheme, and btw you're not God and if I were you I wouldn't be that presumptuous that I would speak for Him.
Quote:I don't go on witch hunts. I merely study and evaluate according to the Scriptures as we are called to and prove all things. Something you might actually try at some point.Tell you what Vic I've been at it 30 years, doing exactly what you claim you are.
Quote:Anyway, glad you have said your good byes because it makes it so much easier than having to show you the door.That is usually what happens when the person in charge wants to win the argument in one way or another. Depends on whether or not someone is open to the truth.
Quote:As for the Scripture you used, referring to us all here as the dragon making war on the children of IsraelVic, you assumed too much.
Quote:---apparently you think we disparage Jews and those of Jewish heritage.I am not really sure one way or another but that is not what that Scripture is referring to anyway, which only makes me wonder what else you may have misunderstood or did not interpret the correct way.
Quote: We have Jewish friends. So no we don't make war against the children of Israel.Just those that don't agree with you, is that correct or not ?
Quote: We do however reprove the fruitless deeds of darkness and rebuke those who promote error, as we are called to abide the Scriptures and weigh all to them and try the spirits.I do the same thing Vic and have for years. In fact one of the greatest compliments I ever received was from a Roman Catholic whom I have debated for years--his words to me were --a rep point for you ( ON CARM) because you really follow Sola Scriptura.
Quote:The fruit of the Spirit is something you appear totally lacking in and you might wish to consider that you are a dime a dozen like that within the HR movement.Dear Vic, I have seen the same from "well meaning" Christians.
Quote: Hatred for others and especially Christians is not of Christ.Hatred for others is not of Christ period, one group is no more "special" then another.
Quote: But then, you haven't said you belong to Jesus Christ but rather are merely a messianic/HR adherent that promotes the renewed covenant rather than the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.
What I said Vic was that I was a born again believer for 30 + years, what I am saying now is that I received the HS that long as well. However I no nothing about you other then you hate those Messianic's.
Quote: We are bought with a price. You just haven't figured that out and instead disparage the living sacrifice of our Savior and Lord.That is totally uncalled for, and frankly a really stupid thing to say. And yeah it is sad.
Quote:So since you have said your good bye, I will give you a farewell also. Too bad you can't simply hear what is said to you.Apply the same to yourself.
Quote:James 3:12-18 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13. [b]Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Matthew 12:33-35 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Vic when you decided to level accusations against the HR movement and Messianic Jews you are guilty of doing exactly what all those scriptures state. You are the pot calling the Kettle.
BTW since you believe in Scripture do a Matthew 18 on all those you name in your attack on other believers, it's the BIBLICAL thing to do.
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