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This forum is so anti-messianic that at the start I already quit.

(09-03-2010 01:44 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]This forum is so anti-messianic that at the start I already quit.

Hi there, Softim,

Actually this forum is very pro-Christ, pro-Scriptural Truth, pro- New Covenant and pro living for Christ, so that you probably have issues with that. But I am glad you decided to because it saves a lot of repetitive posts, HR spamming, and attempts at new threads which violates forum rules, instead of actually abiding said rules and reading the already well addressed messianic and hebrew roots rhetoric which have been proven Scripturally and factually in error. But you keep with whatever makes you happy.

(09-03-2010 05:41 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2010 01:44 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]This forum is so anti-messianic that at the start I already quit.

Hi there, Softim,

Actually this forum is very pro-Christ, pro-Scriptural Truth, pro- New Covenant and pro living for Christ, so that you probably have issues with that. But I am glad you decided to because it saves a lot of repetitive posts, HR spamming, and attempts at new threads which violates forum rules, instead of actually abiding said rules and reading the already well addressed messianic and hebrew roots rhetoric which have been proven Scripturally and factually in error. But you keep with whatever makes you happy.

Sorry Vic seems to me you're on a witch hunt.All I read is everybody that's a Messianic is a Kabblist and they have no chance at even defending themselves.
I don't buy what your dealing here. One thing I do understand and that's this verse is sooo true:

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

(Rev 12:17-1 NAS) That's what sites like yours do--make war on the children of Israel.


NAS Psalm 1:1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season, And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.
4 The wicked are not so, But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
(Psa 1:1-6 NAS)

I hope learn the truth soon--Bye

Coming to a forum just to bash the admins is REALLY bad form. Nobody on this site is on a "witch hunt". All the admins do is compare the doctrine of religious leaders/groups (of any religion) to what is stated in God's Word, with the purpose of leading people who follow the teachings of men, back to the narrow path set for all humans in the Bible. God expects Jews and Gentiles alike to test the spirits and not be led astray by human doctrines.

(09-04-2010 01:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]Coming to a forum just to bash the admins is REALLY bad form.

Well calling yourself "skinhead" makes me wonder.

Quote: Nobody on this site is on a "witch hunt".

That's not what I see. One look at the "Myth" page convinced me of that.

Quote: All the admins do is compare the doctrine of religious leaders/groups (of any religion) to what is stated in God's Word,

Don't insult my intelligence, that's exactly what all messianics have done

Quote: with the purpose of leading people who follow the teachings of men, back to the narrow path set for all humans in the Bible. God expects Jews and Gentiles alike to test the spirits and not be led astray by human doctrines.

I've been a born again believer for over 30 years and that's EXACTLY what I did before becoming an messianic believer. And when I came here I did "test the Spirits" didn't like what I found on the so called "myth boards"
There are over 38,000 christian denominations all clamoring to have the right doctrine which one are you?

(09-04-2010 01:44 AM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2010 05:41 PM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2010 01:44 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]This forum is so anti-messianic that at the start I already quit.

Hi there, Softim,

Actually this forum is very pro-Christ, pro-Scriptural Truth, pro- New Covenant and pro living for Christ, so that you probably have issues with that. But I am glad you decided to because it saves a lot of repetitive posts, HR spamming, and attempts at new threads which violates forum rules, instead of actually abiding said rules and reading the already well addressed messianic and hebrew roots rhetoric which have been proven Scripturally and factually in error. But you keep with whatever makes you happy.

Sorry Vic seems to me you're on a witch hunt.All I read is everybody that's a Messianic is a Kabblist and they have no chance at even defending themselves.
I don't buy what your dealing here. One thing I do understand and that's this verse is sooo true:

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

(Rev 12:17-1 NAS) That's what sites like yours do--make war on the children of Israel.


NAS Psalm 1:1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season, And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.
4 The wicked are not so, But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
(Psa 1:1-6 NAS)

I hope learn the truth soon--Bye

Well, Softim you saying "Bye" is the first polite thing you have done on this forum. Perhaps if you hung out awhile and didn't say anything you would learn even more manners.

As far as " I hope learn the truth soon"...I assume you were actually saying you hope you will learn the truth soon and flee HR. But I suspect with the fruit you are exhibiting towards others and total lack of care and love towards anyone, that it will take a massive smack from God for you to actually pay attention to the Scriptures and facts that are presented here.

I don't go on witch hunts. I merely study and evaluate according to the Scriptures as we are called to and prove all things. Something you might actually try at some point.

Anyway, glad you have said your good byes because it makes it so much easier than having to show you the door.

As for the Scripture you used, referring to us all here as the dragon making war on the children of Israel---apparently you think we disparage Jews and those of Jewish heritage. We have Jewish friends. So no we don't make war against the children of Israel. We do however reprove the fruitless deeds of darkness and rebuke those who promote error, as we are called to abide the Scriptures and weigh all to them and try the spirits.

The fruit of the Spirit is something you appear totally lacking in and you might wish to consider that you are a dime a dozen like that within the HR movement. Hatred for others and especially Christians is not of Christ. But then, you haven't said you belong to Jesus Christ but rather are merely a messianic/HR adherent that promotes the renewed covenant rather than the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. We are bought with a price. You just haven't figured that out and instead disparage the living sacrifice of our Savior and Lord.

So since you have said your good bye, I will give you a farewell also. Too bad you can't simply hear what is said to you.



That's bye in messy speak.

James 3:12-18 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Matthew 12:33-35 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

(09-04-2010 01:35 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 01:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]Coming to a forum just to bash the admins is REALLY bad form.

Well calling yourself "skinhead" makes me wonder.

I call myself that because I am one. I am a traditional skinhead, not a racist skin. I have a fringe haircut and wear braces and ladder-laced Doc Marten boots and I listen to skinhead reggae, ska and soul music. The admins don't mind my screenname, and it's a red herring as far as this thread goes. I'm surprised you haven't said anything about my signature.

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Quote: Nobody on this site is on a "witch hunt".

That's not what I see. One look at the "Myth" page convinced me of that.

You come to this site just to insult the people who post here and/or maintain the forum and you say that we are on a "witch hunt"? When you slam the admins, you are slamming my friends, and I will stick up for them.

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Quote: All the admins do is compare the doctrine of religious leaders/groups (of any religion) to what is stated in God's Word,

Don't insult my intelligence, that's exactly what all messianics have done

It's really tempting to insult your intelligence about now, but the Bible says not to (Mat 5:22).

Quote:

Quote: with the purpose of leading people who follow the teachings of men, back to the narrow path set for all humans in the Bible. God expects Jews and Gentiles alike to test the spirits and not be led astray by human doctrines.

I've been a born again believer for over 30 years and that's EXACTLY what I did before becoming an messianic believer. And when I came here I did "test the Spirits" didn't like what I found on the so called "myth boards"
There are over 38,000 christian denominations all clamoring to have the right doctrine which one are you?

I don't belong to any denomination. Nothing I've read in the Bible says I must belong to this group or that group. I gave up on organized religion because it drips with human hypocrisy. Why do you stay on this site if you hate it so?

(09-05-2010 11:43 AM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 01:35 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 01:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]Coming to a forum just to bash the admins is REALLY bad form.

Well calling yourself "skinhead" makes me wonder.

I call myself that because I am one. I am a traditional skinhead, not a racist skin.

If it is your choice to call yourself a "skinhead" then you must deal with the all of the negative things associated with that term.

Quote: I have a fringe haircut and wear braces and ladder-laced Doc Marten boots and I listen to skinhead reggae, ska and soul music. The admins don't mind my screenname, and it's a red herring as far as this thread goes.

Red herring? Not at all. Think about it. Neo-Nazis are associated with the term "skinheads," no I am not saying that you are one all I am saying is get ready for all of the negative things associated with that title.

Quote:

Quote: Nobody on this site is on a "witch hunt".

That's not what I see. One look at the "Myth" page convinced me of that.

You come to this site just to insult the people who post here and/or maintain the forum and you say that we are on a "witch hunt"? When you slam the admins, you are slamming my friends, and I will stick up for them.[/quote]
Well that's honorable, however those they are slandering are my friends and associates--ever think of that ?

Quote:

Quote: All the admins do is compare the doctrine of religious leaders/groups (of any religion) to what is stated in God's Word,

Don't insult my intelligence, that's exactly what all messianics have done

That's exactly what I have done and come to a completely different conclusion.

Quote:It's really tempting to insult your intelligence about now, but the Bible says not to (Mat 5:22).

Quote:[quote]
with the purpose of leading people who follow the teachings of men,

What teachings would they be? Everything my associates teach is Biblical

Quote:back to the narrow path set for all humans in the Bible. God expects Jews and Gentiles alike to test the spirits and not be led astray by human doctrines.

I've been a born again believer for over 30 years and that's EXACTLY what I did before becoming an messianic believer. And when I came here I did "test the Spirits" didn't like what I found on the so called "myth boards"
There are over 38,000 christian denominations all clamoring to have the right doctrine which one are you?

Quote:I don't belong to any denomination.

Ok, so there are untold other organizations claiming to be believers but have their own agenda's and their own ideas to what the Scripture teaches all claiming they have the right way and others don't.

Quote: Nothing I've read in the Bible says I must belong to this group or that group. I gave up on organized religion because it drips with human hypocrisy. Why do you stay on this site if you hate it so?

Why put up a site that hates Messianic believers ? Have a board bent on discrediting the Messianic movement? I'm going to defend my brethren just like you are yours. And I never stated I hated anyone.

(09-05-2010 12:09 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]Red herring? Not at all. Think about it. Neo-Nazis are associated with the term "skinheads," no I am not saying that you are one all I am saying is get ready for all of the negative things associated with that title.

Apparently, you are the only one who thinks so. No one here else has "gone there". YYZ has been here a very long time and we are privileged to have her as a member

Can you not post without being accusatory, rude, and with innuendo?

Quote:Well that's honorable, however those they are slandering are my friends and associates--ever think of that ?

Slander is speaking lies about someone. What has been posted is documented information. The facts do not lie. If you have a specific point of disagreement, then please post it so that we can discuss it.

Quote:What teachings would they be? Everything my associates teach is Biblical

Again, baseless accusations.

Quote:Ok, so there are untold other organizations claiming to be believers but have their own agenda's and their own ideas to what the Scripture teaches all claiming they have the right way and others don't.

So it is ok for you to blast Christianity, but when someone is not affiliated with a Christian denomination, then you blast them for that. Who are you to judge that people who don't belong to a religious group have "agenda" and are claiming truth above everyone else? Did you ever stop to think that there are Christians who are not affiliated with a religious system because they just want to serve and love God Biblically without the traditions and practices?

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Why put up a site that hates Messianic believers ? Have a board bent on discrediting the Messianic movement? I'm going to defend my brethren just like you are yours. And I never stated I hated anyone.

Exposing false doctrines and teachers is not "hatred" for Messianic believers. Do not assume that your view of others outside of your own belief system is the same as ours. YYZ stated that you hated this forum, not that you hated anyone here.

If you want to continue posting on this forum stop with the accusations.

(09-05-2010 12:09 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2010 11:43 AM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 01:35 PM)Softim Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2010 01:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: [ -> ]Coming to a forum just to bash the admins is REALLY bad form.

Well calling yourself "skinhead" makes me wonder.

I call myself that because I am one. I am a traditional skinhead, not a racist skin.

If it is your choice to call yourself a "skinhead" then you must deal with the all of the negative things associated with that term.

Uh...yeah. I've been one since the early 1990s, so I am familiar with "all of the negative things associated with that term" and will readily explain the history of the traditional non- and anti-racist skinhead subculture. Look up SHARPs (Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice) on Google.

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:I have a fringe haircut and wear braces and ladder-laced Doc Marten boots and I listen to skinhead reggae, ska and soul music. The admins don't mind my screenname, and it's a red herring as far as this thread goes.

Red herring? Not at all. Think about it. Neo-Nazis are associated with the term "skinheads," no I am not saying that you are one all I am saying is get ready for all of the negative things associated with that title.

Neo-Nazis are also associated with the term "Christian", as in "Christian Identity", which includes the Kook Klux Klowns and Aryan Nations. No real Christian can be anti-Jewish (which Christian Identity is), because JESUS WAS JEWISH and He says Salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22). Anyone who hates Jews hates God. "Think about it?" As I said above, I am familiar with the fallacious notion of all skinheads being racist and I will refute it with facts to anyone willing to listen. We traditional skins call racist skins "boneheads".

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:Nobody on this site is on a "witch hunt".

That's not what I see. One look at the "Myth" page convinced me of that.

You come to this site just to insult the people who post here and/or maintain the forum and you say that we are on a "witch hunt"? When you slam the admins, you are slamming my friends, and I will stick up for them.

Softim Wrote:Well that's honorable, however those they are slandering are my friends and associates--ever think of that ?

I have no idea whom your "friends and associates" are, but nobody is "slandered" on this site because slander is lying and forbidden to Jews and Christians per the Ten Commandments. Vic researches the articles on this site with thoroughness that deserves a PhD and tests the teachings of religious leaders (Protestant, Jewish, Catholic, Messianic, Hebrew Roots, occultic, New Age, et cetera) against what the Bible says. A lot of these "leaders" dislike being exposed and they do indeed slander Vic for posting the truth.

Softim Wrote:

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:All the admins do is compare the doctrine of religious leaders/groups (of any religion) to what is stated in God's Word,

Don't insult my intelligence, that's exactly what all messianics have done

That's exactly what I have done and come to a completely different conclusion.

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:It's really tempting to insult your intelligence about now, but the Bible says not to (Mat 5:22).

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:with the purpose of leading people who follow the teachings of men,

What teachings would they be? Everything my associates teach is Biblical

Again, I don't know who your "associates" are, so I can't form an opinion of them.

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:back to the narrow path set for all humans in the Bible. God expects Jews and Gentiles alike to test the spirits and not be led astray by human doctrines.

I've been a born again believer for over 30 years and that's EXACTLY what I did before becoming an messianic believer. And when I came here I did "test the Spirits" didn't like what I found on the so called "myth boards"
There are over 38,000 christian denominations all clamoring to have the right doctrine which one are you?

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:I don't belong to any denomination.

Ok, so there are untold other organizations claiming to be believers but have their own agenda's and their own ideas to what the Scripture teaches all claiming they have the right way and others don't.

And this has what to do with me?

Softim Wrote:

YYZ Skinhead Wrote:Nothing I've read in the Bible says I must belong to this group or that group. I gave up on organized religion because it drips with human hypocrisy. Why do you stay on this site if you hate it so?

Why put up a site that hates Messianic believers ? Have a board bent on discrediting the Messianic movement? I'm going to defend my brethren just like you are yours. And I never stated I hated anyone.

I never said that you hated anyone, either. I said that you hated the site, basing my conclusion on the fact that everything you've said about it has been explosively negative. The site doesn't hate anyone any more than you do. It exposes the dangers of many religious "movements" and leaders, so people will know to steer clear of false teachings.