05-20-2011, 11:37 AM
Let me kind of pick-up where I left-off. Given the fact that no one challenged what I said about the Yeh over Yah with scripture or studies. I will assume that so far we are all together that we now agree when we remove the vowel points from the Hebrew text we are left only with a Yah sound not Yeh.
Let me simply add this point to my previous point. Calling him Yehovah or Yeshua is ones own choice… To an extent, if one does this because they have studied the Masoretic text than that one would be 100% correct in teaching that these names are correct.
However, when we continue our studies to make our understanding closer to the original tongue that was spoken we get further away from the Yeh sound and closer to the Yah sound.
If anyone here has followed my comments you will notice that I use a variation of names for his name.
For whom you call God I use Yah, Yahweh, Yahuah, Elohim, Alahiym
And for the Son the one you call Jesus I use Yahushua, Yahusha.
I can explain more about why I don’t use other names, and I most definitely can explain why I said something that may seem alarming to some, which is I really don’t like using the name Jesus. I think it was said by someone “it’s because I don’t know him” well as much as that sounds like an insult, I don’t. The name Jesus was not in existence 500 years ago, and when we discover that the Greeks gave him this name, its only wise to ask why and how. I won’t get into this today, but I will remind you again that the name Jesus is 500 years old, that means it only dates back to the 1600’s. So this means that the name Jesus is younger than the country of the United States which was found in the year 1492 (according to some) by Christopher Columbus. So one needs question what his name was before that was in those 200 years and beyond since he was here more than 1500 years earlier. We see his name actually plays a strong role in our life. Hopefully my little knowledge can help who ever is willing to listen.
So why do I add the “uah and “usha” to the end of the names.
Flavius Josephus wrote the golden crown worn by the high priest contained 4 vowels (The Jewish War 5:5:7)
Our Greek translations come from Greeks and their language, which does not have consonants that equate to Hebrew. Example is the letter yud becomes iota in Greek.
Yud- hay- vav only began to double as vowels in the 9th century BCE. Before then, they were used as constants and even after the 9th century “yud” at the beginning of a word constituted a consonant. Knowing this the new king james almost gave us the full truth in the name a few places in scripture. Psalms 68:4 and Isaiah 12:2 there are a few more but I give two only to show the point.
The third letter of the name in today’s time carries a “v” sound, but historically it carried a “W” sound in ancient times. Example being Yeshayahu (Isaiah) is pronounced yahu or yahuw through this you can start to see why some call him Yahweh or Yahuwah.
I want to offer a scripture…
- She conceived again, and bare a son. She said, "This time will I praise the LORD." Therefore she named him Yehuda (Genesis 29:35 Hebrew name bible)
- And she conceived again and bore a son, and said, “Now I will praise the LORD.” Therefore she called his name Judah. Then she stopped bearing. (Gen 29:35)
Two things you can learn from this if you have on your thinking-caps. One his name couldn’t be God, Lord, or lord because she called him Judah. And two, if we understand that the Hebrew translation used the Masoretic text to get the “Yeh”uda” from the term Judah. If this stands true, then we’ve just took one step closer in learning the fathers true name because we know that the beginning of his name isn’t yeh, but Yah so we now see the term “Yahudah”.
So we’ve just gone from having Yah to now having a full name of Yahudah, but we need to remove the dalet from the name Judah - (Yhdwh) - (Yhwh) doing this now gives us Yahuwah or Yahuah.
Some scholars use the name Yahoweh from the assyrians who transcribed the name as Ya-u-a . Yet some still like to stick with the Yeh sound because again, this is how the Massoretes vowel pointed it. We can argue for days about why they vowel pointed the name this way be it to deceive some, or a simple misspelling. Some say they purposefully did it, others scholars say they did it intentionally to tell the reader that it was to be used as a “qere perpetum” which is to have the term Elohim or Adonai to be spoken instead while reading the name. My opinion is that it doesn’t matter because I know that the Masoretic text and anyone else’s text wasn’t there when it was spoken to Moses. I’ll stop here because I would like to explain myself further on the name Jesus and hopefully answer some of the many questions I’ve read on this board dating back to page 2 and beyond.
As it contains to all of this I would like to simply add the following
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
I usually use this to show people that the Law is very much alive considering the timing of when this book was written. However, today I want to point out the later part of the verse.
- and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
Let’s say you were one that called the Father Yehohavh or the son Y’shua or something else. I don’t think it matters much because this one line becomes the cornerstone of helping us understand how patient Elohim is with us assuming that we didn’t know what we now know. I’m not saying my way is right, but if you know the name Yahuah or Yehovah is closer to his name, yet you consciously have decided to call him God (which is a title given to all gods) does that really make sense?
We may not all see eye to eye on what his actual transliterated name is, but all of us should agree that it is not a title called god. I’m sure my next post is going to ruffle some feathers. But please keep the passage in Hebrews in mind.
For the word of God is quick and powerful … and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
If I’m allowed to actually speak my mind here then this will be most needed as I attempt to explain the American names that we call Jesus and God from a historical stand point. Hopefully I can find the time to this.
Let me simply add this point to my previous point. Calling him Yehovah or Yeshua is ones own choice… To an extent, if one does this because they have studied the Masoretic text than that one would be 100% correct in teaching that these names are correct.
However, when we continue our studies to make our understanding closer to the original tongue that was spoken we get further away from the Yeh sound and closer to the Yah sound.
If anyone here has followed my comments you will notice that I use a variation of names for his name.
For whom you call God I use Yah, Yahweh, Yahuah, Elohim, Alahiym
And for the Son the one you call Jesus I use Yahushua, Yahusha.
I can explain more about why I don’t use other names, and I most definitely can explain why I said something that may seem alarming to some, which is I really don’t like using the name Jesus. I think it was said by someone “it’s because I don’t know him” well as much as that sounds like an insult, I don’t. The name Jesus was not in existence 500 years ago, and when we discover that the Greeks gave him this name, its only wise to ask why and how. I won’t get into this today, but I will remind you again that the name Jesus is 500 years old, that means it only dates back to the 1600’s. So this means that the name Jesus is younger than the country of the United States which was found in the year 1492 (according to some) by Christopher Columbus. So one needs question what his name was before that was in those 200 years and beyond since he was here more than 1500 years earlier. We see his name actually plays a strong role in our life. Hopefully my little knowledge can help who ever is willing to listen.
So why do I add the “uah and “usha” to the end of the names.
Flavius Josephus wrote the golden crown worn by the high priest contained 4 vowels (The Jewish War 5:5:7)
Our Greek translations come from Greeks and their language, which does not have consonants that equate to Hebrew. Example is the letter yud becomes iota in Greek.
Yud- hay- vav only began to double as vowels in the 9th century BCE. Before then, they were used as constants and even after the 9th century “yud” at the beginning of a word constituted a consonant. Knowing this the new king james almost gave us the full truth in the name a few places in scripture. Psalms 68:4 and Isaiah 12:2 there are a few more but I give two only to show the point.
The third letter of the name in today’s time carries a “v” sound, but historically it carried a “W” sound in ancient times. Example being Yeshayahu (Isaiah) is pronounced yahu or yahuw through this you can start to see why some call him Yahweh or Yahuwah.
I want to offer a scripture…
- She conceived again, and bare a son. She said, "This time will I praise the LORD." Therefore she named him Yehuda (Genesis 29:35 Hebrew name bible)
- And she conceived again and bore a son, and said, “Now I will praise the LORD.” Therefore she called his name Judah. Then she stopped bearing. (Gen 29:35)
Two things you can learn from this if you have on your thinking-caps. One his name couldn’t be God, Lord, or lord because she called him Judah. And two, if we understand that the Hebrew translation used the Masoretic text to get the “Yeh”uda” from the term Judah. If this stands true, then we’ve just took one step closer in learning the fathers true name because we know that the beginning of his name isn’t yeh, but Yah so we now see the term “Yahudah”.
So we’ve just gone from having Yah to now having a full name of Yahudah, but we need to remove the dalet from the name Judah - (Yhdwh) - (Yhwh) doing this now gives us Yahuwah or Yahuah.
Some scholars use the name Yahoweh from the assyrians who transcribed the name as Ya-u-a . Yet some still like to stick with the Yeh sound because again, this is how the Massoretes vowel pointed it. We can argue for days about why they vowel pointed the name this way be it to deceive some, or a simple misspelling. Some say they purposefully did it, others scholars say they did it intentionally to tell the reader that it was to be used as a “qere perpetum” which is to have the term Elohim or Adonai to be spoken instead while reading the name. My opinion is that it doesn’t matter because I know that the Masoretic text and anyone else’s text wasn’t there when it was spoken to Moses. I’ll stop here because I would like to explain myself further on the name Jesus and hopefully answer some of the many questions I’ve read on this board dating back to page 2 and beyond.
As it contains to all of this I would like to simply add the following
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
I usually use this to show people that the Law is very much alive considering the timing of when this book was written. However, today I want to point out the later part of the verse.
- and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
Let’s say you were one that called the Father Yehohavh or the son Y’shua or something else. I don’t think it matters much because this one line becomes the cornerstone of helping us understand how patient Elohim is with us assuming that we didn’t know what we now know. I’m not saying my way is right, but if you know the name Yahuah or Yehovah is closer to his name, yet you consciously have decided to call him God (which is a title given to all gods) does that really make sense?
We may not all see eye to eye on what his actual transliterated name is, but all of us should agree that it is not a title called god. I’m sure my next post is going to ruffle some feathers. But please keep the passage in Hebrews in mind.
For the word of God is quick and powerful … and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
If I’m allowed to actually speak my mind here then this will be most needed as I attempt to explain the American names that we call Jesus and God from a historical stand point. Hopefully I can find the time to this.
There are no original hebrew matthews or other original hebrew NT gospels or other. The NT was in GREEK. Elias was transliterated from Helias-not helios--GREEK---and means ELijah in Hebrew.