05-29-2011, 08:37 PM
They thought they had crept in unawares...
I always find it interesting the people who come to the forum under pretense to discuss, and really merely wish to use this forum as a platform to diseminate their many and varied heresies.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
One can always tell when someone is not here to discuss, but rather to diseminate, when they post and when dialogue is begun, when hard questions and refutations take place, they either clam up or play the victim. Their doctrine, claimed facts, etc cannot stand the test of Scripture or proving all... and I make no apology for testing what is said, proving what is said, questioning or challenging what is said to the Scriptures and testing and proving all facts. We are called to do that and use strong discernment which comes from using and knowing the Word of God.
Lately we have had some members join who were all HR/Messianic/ sacred name proponents. Three in particular promoted the made up name of yahuah etc. They very clearly rejected the truth of the Scriptures and specifically the NT and the Messianic prophecies and who Christ is, and rather denied those truths, from prophecies to believing the 'lying scribes' had added even most of the Sinai Covenant and law given through Moses to Israel.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
When challenged, while providing zero of requested documentation, other posts ensued that showed a pattern of belief not even close to being consistent with someone who knows or believes God.
Doing a little research awhile ago, led to the discovery that our member Mo MHuintir, to be none other than Bill Kinney, who has his own website and aberrant teachings. In comparing his writings there to what was being posted to the forum, it became clear he was here to merely attempt to disseminate his junk theology with an attempt to draw believers after himself, to which we have warnings in the Scriptures.
That was why my response to his posts in the "What's the True Name of God" , where he imbibes the lying scribes junk, was addressed fully and completely--and to which he would not respond, but toddled away, while continuing to read the forum for some time.
One can review prior to the thread prior to this page, and go forward from there to see the issue unfold.... What's the True Name of God http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...73&page=10 then forward to post 111-116, 119-120
Bill aka MO never responded but merely walked away from the discussion. That's the trouble with heretics. They have no substance, but are on sinking sand and cannot stand what they propagate being brought forward and examined to the light of the Scriptures and testing the so called 'facts'.
Proving all things...
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Bill and his writings are found used and endorsed and promoted on the sacred name/hebrew roots Followers of Yah forum, from which sari83, also spent time. Bill has been a member there since June 8, 2009, and has posted 80 posts, and has his webiste in his bio...truthintheword---which certainly must not mean the Word of God to him.
Sari83 joined that forum : 23 Dec 2009 and had 28 posts.
Sari83 was reading their 'stuff' from April 2009 and then joined that forum formally on Dec 23, 2009, and posted not 10 posts, as she said when dismissing any real involvement in a prior query, but 28 posts. And she and Bill were active in the same time period.
In fact, Bill and Sarah know each from that forum, having dialogued to/with each other on that forum. Setting aside they have the same ips, [actually the same two ips consistently, which normally happens when coming from the same address, as we have seen in the case of family members who posted here, although from different computers] and which Sara merely dismissed as a non issue, the fact is, that Mo MHuintir aka Bill Kinney and sari83 have believed the same junk.
For example in the thread on Followers of Yah, Characteristics of a false prophet, started by sarah, sari83 posts "Characteristics of a false prophet
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and was followed with the answer by bkin aka Bill Kinney, aka Mo MHuintir
by bkin» Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:09 pm
Good word Sari83,
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Eph 5:11
We should knowse them,
and then expose them.
Time's (almost) Up!
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In fact, in their Peak Posters chart, both are listed and bkin sits at 78-or 80 depending what one reads, while sari83 has 28.
And despite old posts and threads from bkin, sara83 was reading them and posting to them; for example bkin posted something in July 2009 which Sari83 answered that dead thread, January 2010. And yes, the documentation is there.
We see such gnostic spew from Bill's website as,
And lest we forget Ne'aryah, aka timothydix...also spewing the same sacred name junk, the same yahuah, and working the same threads...and there a few others I suspect have similar agendas...
So, we have people using the same made up sacred name, yahuah, posting and dialoguing on that same sacred name/hr forum, who have the same ip address-which isn't totally conclusive--, and yet it is presented they don't know each other. And both joined this forum and posted to almost identical threads....People are known by the company they keep and endorse.
Now Bill Kinney aka Mo MHuintir has taken it upon himself [along with, apparently, his associates from here], instead of answering the posts and questions put to him, to start a discussion forum, using the name of SeekGod except with a .us extension instead of SeekGod.ca .... I won't be putting in the actual full addy as I choose not to promote it.
Apparently unable to make it on his own, Bill Kinney has to now use my forum and website name with that extension, because of his inability to make it on his own merits. Not a surprise really.
IN that forum, Bill Kinney has chosen to make false statements concerning this forum in his Topic: Introductions section, although I am sure there will be other attempts to slam me and this forum:
Aside from the absolute absurdity of the claims...allow me to address them. From one Forum owner to another, Bill Kinney aka Mo MHuintir:
It's pretty hard to edit posts when no one is posting, Bill, isn't it? Censoring isn't the issue--abiding the forum rules agreed to upon joining shows respect for others--which apparently is sadly lacking for some.
Have you or your posts been censored or edited Bill? ever?
The answer would be NO, unless you posted links or started a thread which newbies can't do. Are you still a member? still able to post? despite the refusal to answer responses to your posts? The answer would be a YES.
Further, the pursuit of Scriptural Truth is what is presented, not somone's ideas about what something might or should be instead of what is actually in the Scriptures--which we believe as True. You do not believe them to be true. So, you make up your own beliefs.
The Scriptures are opened and discussed alongside many issues relevant to believers. Open discussion or debate is clearly welcomed and it's just too bad Bill/Mo et al that you don't have the gumption to actually answer the refutation of Scripture and facts given to your heretical posts and writings.
Instead, as is common, when one such as yourself cannot answer the documentation or answer direct questions, they slink away. And pretend it was all 'my doing'. Playing the victim when there was nothing to complain about except your own ineptness and inability at presenting any truth. You come unarmed to an apologetics forum then whine no one listens to you. You were listened to and clearly refuted. Your problem is you can't take no for an answer.
If you believe something, then at least have the gumption to answer those who disagree, and present facts and Scripture why. You can't defend your beliefs because you make them up and claim it is far better than what 'the corrupt' church and laity ever did. While there has been false doctrine even when the apostles were presenting the sound doctrine for all believers, the tools to discerning the truth from the error were also given. And that was, the Word of God and the indwelling Holy Spirit. And your vain imaginations called doctrine don't even get past square one.
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I have to laugh at the "cannon of the Church" statement. Which church would that be??? Since I am not a member of any church, nor have been for many years. Pointing people to Jesus Christ and the Word of God is not a denominational "thing". It is a Scriptural doctrine--which all who believe Jesus Christ should hold. But there's the rub--one has to actually believe the Word of God as being inspired by God and it actually being God's Word. Which of course we already know you don't believe...but you go ahead and be free of all constraints held by others who loved God and dispensed the Truth via the written record of those who believed God. Make your own doctrine and beliefs and draw people after yourself and make your own little denomination and keep continuing to deny God's Word as Truth, and who Jesus Christ is...everybody makes choices. Some to life and some to destruction.
The Holy Spirit is who gives understanding of the Scriptures. It's not based on one's own insights and 'revelation'.The Scriptures are opened and understood by those who belong to Christ and whereby the Holy Spirit is at work teaching as they consider and study God's Word. You have to actually know Christ, thereby have the Holy Spirit and you actually have to believe it is God's Word....which you, Bill and company do not believe. So any revelation you have isn't based on anything but your own vain reasonings and ideas.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Primacy of the clergy over laity --
You didn't do your homework at all.
Read my Introduction to my website, read my articles in my research section,...read the threads here, such as:
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=258
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=601
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=584
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=470
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=425
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=407
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=127
You think that this site and what I have always promoted is in opposition to the necessary relationship with Jesus Christ? You are more absurd then ever. Since that's an example of your abilities to 'reveal truth' and pretense that you know what you are talking about, you had better call it quits before you go any further at making yourself look bad. You should be totally embarrassed and ashamed.
You think I am a 'middle man' and have made money from doing this?
The Scriptures are very clear about making false accusation about others. Of course one has to believe the Scriptures in order to apply them... And since you have openly dismissed the Scriptures it's no surprise you cannot apply them.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
You reject the truth of the Scriptures and want to find some nugget of truth in them in order to dispense your 'wisdom' aka imagination....The reality is you pursue the vanity of your mind, and pull something from the Scriptures now and again to make it appear you are being ' scriptural' while overturning and rejecting the True Scriptures. You search for a nugget of truth, and we already have the whole goldmine, in every chapter, and ever verse and every line....
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
I always find it interesting the people who come to the forum under pretense to discuss, and really merely wish to use this forum as a platform to diseminate their many and varied heresies.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
One can always tell when someone is not here to discuss, but rather to diseminate, when they post and when dialogue is begun, when hard questions and refutations take place, they either clam up or play the victim. Their doctrine, claimed facts, etc cannot stand the test of Scripture or proving all... and I make no apology for testing what is said, proving what is said, questioning or challenging what is said to the Scriptures and testing and proving all facts. We are called to do that and use strong discernment which comes from using and knowing the Word of God.
Lately we have had some members join who were all HR/Messianic/ sacred name proponents. Three in particular promoted the made up name of yahuah etc. They very clearly rejected the truth of the Scriptures and specifically the NT and the Messianic prophecies and who Christ is, and rather denied those truths, from prophecies to believing the 'lying scribes' had added even most of the Sinai Covenant and law given through Moses to Israel.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
When challenged, while providing zero of requested documentation, other posts ensued that showed a pattern of belief not even close to being consistent with someone who knows or believes God.
Doing a little research awhile ago, led to the discovery that our member Mo MHuintir, to be none other than Bill Kinney, who has his own website and aberrant teachings. In comparing his writings there to what was being posted to the forum, it became clear he was here to merely attempt to disseminate his junk theology with an attempt to draw believers after himself, to which we have warnings in the Scriptures.
That was why my response to his posts in the "What's the True Name of God" , where he imbibes the lying scribes junk, was addressed fully and completely--and to which he would not respond, but toddled away, while continuing to read the forum for some time.
One can review prior to the thread prior to this page, and go forward from there to see the issue unfold.... What's the True Name of God http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...73&page=10 then forward to post 111-116, 119-120
Bill aka MO never responded but merely walked away from the discussion. That's the trouble with heretics. They have no substance, but are on sinking sand and cannot stand what they propagate being brought forward and examined to the light of the Scriptures and testing the so called 'facts'.
Proving all things...
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Bill and his writings are found used and endorsed and promoted on the sacred name/hebrew roots Followers of Yah forum, from which sari83, also spent time. Bill has been a member there since June 8, 2009, and has posted 80 posts, and has his webiste in his bio...truthintheword---which certainly must not mean the Word of God to him.
Sari83 joined that forum : 23 Dec 2009 and had 28 posts.
Sari83 was reading their 'stuff' from April 2009 and then joined that forum formally on Dec 23, 2009, and posted not 10 posts, as she said when dismissing any real involvement in a prior query, but 28 posts. And she and Bill were active in the same time period.
In fact, Bill and Sarah know each from that forum, having dialogued to/with each other on that forum. Setting aside they have the same ips, [actually the same two ips consistently, which normally happens when coming from the same address, as we have seen in the case of family members who posted here, although from different computers] and which Sara merely dismissed as a non issue, the fact is, that Mo MHuintir aka Bill Kinney and sari83 have believed the same junk.
For example in the thread on Followers of Yah, Characteristics of a false prophet, started by sarah, sari83 posts "Characteristics of a false prophet
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and was followed with the answer by bkin aka Bill Kinney, aka Mo MHuintir
by bkin» Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:09 pm
Good word Sari83,
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Eph 5:11
We should knowse them,
and then expose them.
Time's (almost) Up!
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In fact, in their Peak Posters chart, both are listed and bkin sits at 78-or 80 depending what one reads, while sari83 has 28.
And despite old posts and threads from bkin, sara83 was reading them and posting to them; for example bkin posted something in July 2009 which Sari83 answered that dead thread, January 2010. And yes, the documentation is there.
We see such gnostic spew from Bill's website as,
Quote:"Yahuahshua said, " Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. And after they have reigned, they will rest." Gospel of Thomas, saying #2, and that's aside from the spew he was attempting to diseminate on this forum.
And lest we forget Ne'aryah, aka timothydix...also spewing the same sacred name junk, the same yahuah, and working the same threads...and there a few others I suspect have similar agendas...
So, we have people using the same made up sacred name, yahuah, posting and dialoguing on that same sacred name/hr forum, who have the same ip address-which isn't totally conclusive--, and yet it is presented they don't know each other. And both joined this forum and posted to almost identical threads....People are known by the company they keep and endorse.
Now Bill Kinney aka Mo MHuintir has taken it upon himself [along with, apparently, his associates from here], instead of answering the posts and questions put to him, to start a discussion forum, using the name of SeekGod except with a .us extension instead of SeekGod.ca .... I won't be putting in the actual full addy as I choose not to promote it.
Apparently unable to make it on his own, Bill Kinney has to now use my forum and website name with that extension, because of his inability to make it on his own merits. Not a surprise really.
IN that forum, Bill Kinney has chosen to make false statements concerning this forum in his Topic: Introductions section, although I am sure there will be other attempts to slam me and this forum:
Quote:Hi everyone!
My purpose in setting up this board is to have a place where believers can go to discuss their thoughts and ideas about the scriptures. It doesn't matter what your background or denomination may be. The only thing that's important here is the truth, not the preservation of dogma, doctrine, or creeds that have no merit in light of the truth.
Unlike other Discussion Forums (like Seekgod.ca) we do not edit or Censor your post.
Forums like Seekgod.ca have a specific agenda, we don't.
Their objective is to restrict any debate or free exchange of ideas that may threaten the cannon of the Church. They believe in the absolute primacy of the clergy over the laity. To them, there is no personal revelation of God's word, outside of what the Church has instructed you to believe.
I think this not only violates scripture, but is actually offensive in the eyes of God (YHWH). Our Creator desire a personal one on one relationship - without the assistance of a middle man.
A middle man (by the way) who has been made rich beyond measure by dispensing "the word of God."
I look forward to your posts, ideas, and discoveries.
Aside from the absolute absurdity of the claims...allow me to address them. From one Forum owner to another, Bill Kinney aka Mo MHuintir:
It's pretty hard to edit posts when no one is posting, Bill, isn't it? Censoring isn't the issue--abiding the forum rules agreed to upon joining shows respect for others--which apparently is sadly lacking for some.
Have you or your posts been censored or edited Bill? ever?
The answer would be NO, unless you posted links or started a thread which newbies can't do. Are you still a member? still able to post? despite the refusal to answer responses to your posts? The answer would be a YES.
Further, the pursuit of Scriptural Truth is what is presented, not somone's ideas about what something might or should be instead of what is actually in the Scriptures--which we believe as True. You do not believe them to be true. So, you make up your own beliefs.
The Scriptures are opened and discussed alongside many issues relevant to believers. Open discussion or debate is clearly welcomed and it's just too bad Bill/Mo et al that you don't have the gumption to actually answer the refutation of Scripture and facts given to your heretical posts and writings.
Instead, as is common, when one such as yourself cannot answer the documentation or answer direct questions, they slink away. And pretend it was all 'my doing'. Playing the victim when there was nothing to complain about except your own ineptness and inability at presenting any truth. You come unarmed to an apologetics forum then whine no one listens to you. You were listened to and clearly refuted. Your problem is you can't take no for an answer.
If you believe something, then at least have the gumption to answer those who disagree, and present facts and Scripture why. You can't defend your beliefs because you make them up and claim it is far better than what 'the corrupt' church and laity ever did. While there has been false doctrine even when the apostles were presenting the sound doctrine for all believers, the tools to discerning the truth from the error were also given. And that was, the Word of God and the indwelling Holy Spirit. And your vain imaginations called doctrine don't even get past square one.
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I have to laugh at the "cannon of the Church" statement. Which church would that be??? Since I am not a member of any church, nor have been for many years. Pointing people to Jesus Christ and the Word of God is not a denominational "thing". It is a Scriptural doctrine--which all who believe Jesus Christ should hold. But there's the rub--one has to actually believe the Word of God as being inspired by God and it actually being God's Word. Which of course we already know you don't believe...but you go ahead and be free of all constraints held by others who loved God and dispensed the Truth via the written record of those who believed God. Make your own doctrine and beliefs and draw people after yourself and make your own little denomination and keep continuing to deny God's Word as Truth, and who Jesus Christ is...everybody makes choices. Some to life and some to destruction.
The Holy Spirit is who gives understanding of the Scriptures. It's not based on one's own insights and 'revelation'.The Scriptures are opened and understood by those who belong to Christ and whereby the Holy Spirit is at work teaching as they consider and study God's Word. You have to actually know Christ, thereby have the Holy Spirit and you actually have to believe it is God's Word....which you, Bill and company do not believe. So any revelation you have isn't based on anything but your own vain reasonings and ideas.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Primacy of the clergy over laity --
You didn't do your homework at all.
Read my Introduction to my website, read my articles in my research section,...read the threads here, such as:http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=258
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=601
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=584
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=470
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=425
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=407
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=127
You think that this site and what I have always promoted is in opposition to the necessary relationship with Jesus Christ? You are more absurd then ever. Since that's an example of your abilities to 'reveal truth' and pretense that you know what you are talking about, you had better call it quits before you go any further at making yourself look bad. You should be totally embarrassed and ashamed.
You think I am a 'middle man' and have made money from doing this?
The Scriptures are very clear about making false accusation about others. Of course one has to believe the Scriptures in order to apply them... And since you have openly dismissed the Scriptures it's no surprise you cannot apply them. 2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
You reject the truth of the Scriptures and want to find some nugget of truth in them in order to dispense your 'wisdom' aka imagination....The reality is you pursue the vanity of your mind, and pull something from the Scriptures now and again to make it appear you are being ' scriptural' while overturning and rejecting the True Scriptures. You search for a nugget of truth, and we already have the whole goldmine, in every chapter, and ever verse and every line....
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Actually some of HR and Messianics are familiar with my site from over the years. Some have read my articles right from when I first started that original series -To Embrace Hebrew Roots from 1999. I am quite sure most of the leadership within the Hebrew roots groups have read at least some of my stuff---because of writing about them or their buddies. It's like anything else, it's by word of mouth too. 
