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I found an interesting article on the DaVinci Code - the first part of the article I quoted here, for the rest of it, click on the link at the end.

Quote:Da Vinci’s Sacred Feminine and Gnosticism

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Author: Russ Wise
Date: 4/14/2006 12:55:00 PM

By Russ Wise

Leonardo’s secret is out! His Code has been broken and the “true” meaning of his work is now known. To date the writing about The Da Vinci Code has largely been centered on the presupposed Facts or “truths” offered by Dan Brown in the beginning of his book – The Priory of Scion and Opus Dei. However, there is a much deeper concern that should arrest the interest of the Christian community: the linkage between the teachings found in The Da Vinci Code and those taught in Gnosticism.

The critical issues that should alarm the Christian are as follows: Brown offers his reader a different Jesus than the one found in the Scriptures, his Jesus never claimed to be Divine, nor did he ever resurrect from the dead. Brown’s Jesus was a married man who fathered a child and later created a movement – Christianity – based on lies and deception. Brown’s novel more closely reflects ancient Gnosticism than early Christianity. The focus of our discussion will center on Brown’s use of Gnosticism as a tool by which he can reconstruct authentic Christianity. Brown’s message is clear; he wants to reinvent the Christian faith by going back to the early writings of the Apostles and rewrite or reinterpret their message to suit his purposes. The test is simple for the modern Christian - will the 21st century Christian be able to adequately discern the heresies of our day as the early Church Fathers were able to recognize the heresies of theirs? Our ability to correctly do so is central to the future of Christianity.

The Gnostics held several views that were opposed to biblical Christianity. They believed there was a “sacred relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene.”1 They also accepted the idea that Goddess worship was central to understanding man’s spiritual destiny and that the ‘sacred feminine’ (or the ‘divine goddess’ as Brown puts it), is the foundation stone that Christianity is built on, even though it has been obscured. This knowledge is gained by attaining wisdom through the teachings of Sophia – the Goddess of Wisdom – and her counterparts within the church.

Christian Gnosticism is said to have emerged in the seventh century and it has gained a growing popularity over the centuries. It is currently known as Sophian Gnosticism2 and has found followers among many of the churches of our day.

The Goddess Sophia has gained notice in recent years through the Re-Imaging Movement.3 This movement has made inroads into many Christian denominations: United Methodist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, United Church of Christ, Baptist, Episcopalian, Mennonite, United Church of Canada, the church of the Brethren and the Church Women United. This movement to establish the Goddess Sophia as a co-equal to God has its origin in ancient Gnosticism and is now being reintroduced to a new audience through the literary work of Dan Brown.

The Da Vinci Code is just another attempt to further the idea that women hold the keys to true spirituality and that mankind would be better served if they returned to the pre-Christian order of spiritual observance. At the very least, the goddess as the consort of God is recognized as a co-creator and co-equal.

Before we can understand the connection between The Da Vinci Code and Gnosticism it would serve our interests to more fully understand the teachings of Gnosticism.*

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*If you have previously read The Da Vinci Code an understanding of Gnosticism will help you recognize the Pagan/Occult influence of the novel. If you have not yet read it this paper will help you see the non-Christian influence the novel may have on the biblically naive.

http://www.christianinformation.org/arti...?artID=105

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The thing about gnosticism is that it believes that life in the material world is only filth, that the body is a tomb, and that matter is intrinsically evil. It was totally anti life

The modern world is materialist in all senses. They want to deconstruct Christianity so they can fornicate and fight without any moral strictures.

So why is it that they adopt a theory that is even more opposed to their materialism than christianity is?

This is not a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" but that the enemy of their enemy is even in greater conflict with their enemy (ie christ) than they are.

This all shows the utter imbecility of the modern world's need to go charging after something that is in itself utterly insane just because it opposes what they hate, namely the gospel

BTW I read the Da Vinci Code. As a novel it was fun, but i regarded right from the start Brown's scholarship as dishonest. He mentioned the Emperor Constantine, then he mention Kramer and Spenglers "Malleus Malefacorum" (their book "The Hammer of the Witches" a manual on witch hunting). He therefore drops the inference that this book was written in the time of Constantine and that witch burnings happended right throughout history from then onward.

Because Brown had even heard of Kramer and Spengler he KNOWS that they were 15th century therefore his conflation of them with the time of Constasntine (died 337 AD) is a deliberate lie.

The truth of the matter was that the first witch was burnt at the stake in 1002 AD, nearly 700 years after Constantine.

Moreover witch hunting only really got going after the great plague, when european man was so traumatized that they needed scapergoats. Another tidbit Brown deceiftully declined to mention is that the early medieval catholic church regarded the belief in real supernatiural powers as wielded by witches to be superstitious nonsense, and that the belief that witches had real power was itself a heresy. This church later changed its mind, but Brown has to ignore the truth of the early catholic position because he has to spread lies not only about the truth which is the gospel, but about the heresy ridden church which is catholicism.

His view that the Catholic church is the focus of all evil is tiresome, the kind of bigotry that you expect from a seventh day adventist, not from anyone who bothers to learn some history; and his juxtapositon of faith and reason, so beloved of modern atheists, is facile.

The man is lazy, incompetent and dishonest as a scholar

I count myself blessed that I already knew enough history and theology not to be in the least taken in by Browns fiction, even as i read it.

And it seems that his local geography of Paris is all wrong, (though I've never been there myself Smile ) as is his structural descriptions of the Louvre. (it does NOT have 666 glass panes in the area he describes). and his views on renaissance art, as well as in everygthing else he writes about are those of an ignorant dabbler with an axe to grind

That said I enjoy his books, as fluff and entertainment. And i will be reading his next release
pardon me,

"Malleus Maleficarum" the hammer of evil. written 1486. latin spelling matters to me. I googled Kramer and Spengler.

If you cant get everything you want as Alice's Restaurant you can get it on the World Wide Web

:D
It is alll like so much of the Bible Codes again that have distracted so many from a Simple Gospel.

Proverbs 25:2 * It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter

Yes, that is true but one should not need a computer nor a degree in occultism to find it.

Deuteronomy 30:11 * For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off

Which is why we don't need Rabbis to interpret all those "difficult passages".

1 John 2:27 * But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Rather God has done just the opposite, and why books like this flourish umong the unsaved or wavering...

1 Corinthians 1:27 * But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty

All you need is the holy Spirit and a Good Translation!
(01-28-2010 05:46 PM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]It is alll like so much of the Bible Codes again that have distracted so many from a Simple Gospel.

Proverbs 25:2 * It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter

Yes, that is true but one should not need a computer nor a degree in occultism to find it.

Deuteronomy 30:11 * For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off

Which is why we don't need Rabbis to interpret all those "difficult passages".

1 John 2:27 * But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Rather God has done just the opposite, and why books like this flourish umong the unsaved or wavering...

1 Corinthians 1:27 * But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty

All you need is the holy Spirit and a Good Translation!

Sunny Define what you mean by "a Good Translation" - purty please 9020 Stirthepot
(01-28-2010 08:34 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2010 05:46 PM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]All you need is the holy Spirit and a Good Translation!

Sunny Define what you mean by "a Good Translation" - purty please 9020 Stirthepot

One which is accurate for the most part and any innaccuracies are well known, well documented, and well corrected.

Obviously then, The KJV is my primary Bible. I use an NASB occasionally to get a modern reading of some verse. The NAS is more a new KJV than the NKJV which is really an NNIV... I use an NET Bible because of the Footnotes only. It has some interesting translator notes which explain why so many translations are messed up.

The KJV is not perfect but its problems are well known and do not cause problems. Matching resources are easy to get and no copyright. how does one copyright GOD's word Smilies-34791

Finally, the KJV is the easiest for memorization since it is based primarily on Anglo-saxon Language whereas others are based upon French or Latin and are actually rated HARDER to read.

I DO have a facsimile Geneva Bible. It is a useful translation and the Notes are very interesting.
(01-28-2010 09:58 PM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2010 08:34 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2010 05:46 PM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]All you need is the holy Spirit and a Good Translation!

Sunny Define what you mean by "a Good Translation" - purty please 9020 Stirthepot

One which is accurate for the most part and any innaccuracies are well known, well documented, and well corrected.

Obviously then, The KJV is my primary Bible. I use an NASB occasionally to get a modern reading of some verse. The NAS is more a new KJV than the NKJV which is really an NNIV... I use an NET Bible because of the Footnotes only. It has some interesting translator notes which explain why so many translations are messed up.

The KJV is not perfect but its problems are well known and do not cause problems. Matching resources are easy to get and no copyright. how does one copyright GOD's word Smilies-34791

Finally, the KJV is the easiest for memorization since it is based primarily on Anglo-saxon Language whereas others are based upon French or Latin and are actually rated HARDER to read.

I DO have a facsimile Geneva Bible. It is a useful translation and the Notes are very interesting.

It's interesting that you choose to read Bibles that have been "translated" by men calling themselves Christians, but using pagan practices in their private life. The modern versions such as NASB, NAS, NIV, NKJV, and many others come through Wescott and Hort, who were occultists aka participated in seances.

There is real problem when one thinks they have "come out of Babylon" because of their rejection of "things".
Quote:It's interesting that you choose to read Bibles that have been "translated" by men calling themselves Christians, but using pagan practices in their private life. The modern versions such as NASB, NAS, NIV, NKJV, and many others come through Wescott and Hort, who were occultists aka participated in seances.

Living in a Jewish community I understand the process and needs of translation. And all your Bible s are based upon Rabinnic Antichrists which Jesus cursed and yet he said too the Jews to Obey what they teach from Moses.

Even Ungodly Judges can make laws against immorality.

Good try but it does not hold. Even King James was no saint. But one does not need to be a saint to be accurate. Interesting that you use a Bible WRITTEN FROM SCRATCH by antichrists.

See? THAT is irrelevant. Or Printed and bound by sinners! No Matter.

Translation does not require sanctification but only Truth and Accuracy. And THAT is what we need. Jesus said...

[b]Mark 9:39-40 * But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. * For he that is not against us is on our part.

Translating Celeb to Dog requires nothing but understanding of a language.

Translation does not require the Holy Spirit. It does not require expertise or Wisdom. Only knowledge and accuracy. The Bible is not a secret document requiring initiates into the mysteries to uncover. It is an Open book! And why the Catholics and Jews hated the Rpinting press. Because that is how they lost control.

Deuteronomy 30:11 * For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

2 Peter 1:20
* Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Reading an accurate translation is not learning the ways of pagans.

It is in INTERPRETATION that one needs the Holy Spirit. And then all one needs to do is obey him and what the Word says.

1 John 2:27 * But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Does this answer your question?
I almost missed this. Interesting question.

(01-28-2010 10:15 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]There is real problem when one thinks they have "come out of Babylon" because of their rejection of "things".[/b][/color]

Funny, that is exactly part of what "coming out of her" means!
Repentance is rejection and forsaking wickedness in addition to following righteousness.

1 Corinthians 15:34 * Awake to righteousness, and sin not;...

The Bible is full of examples that Repentance is a leaven of sin and the world behind. Forsaking it!

Ephesians 4:22 * That ye put off concerning the former conversation (manners and behaviors) the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

1 Peter 1:14-16
* As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: * But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; * Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy

Titus 2:12-15 * Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; * Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; * Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. * These things speak, and exhort ...
(01-29-2010 10:43 AM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]Living in a Jewish community I understand the process and needs of translation. And all your Bible s are based upon Rabinnic Antichrists which Jesus cursed and yet he said too the Jews to Obey what they teach from Moses.

whoa! there were no "rabbis" when the Bible was written or translated from the Greek. There were many scholars from around the world that King James commissioned to translate the Bible. God used that translation to proclaim the Gospel to the world until even today. To say that Rabbinical influence could mess with the Word of God, is to call Him a liar. God promised to preserve His Word, and He has done so.

I suspect that your information comes from the anti-mish Swoon


Quote:Good try but it does not hold. Even King James was no saint. But one does not need to be a saint to be accurate. Interesting that you use a Bible WRITTEN FROM SCRATCH by antichrists.

Unsubstantiated statement. King James COMMISSIONED scholars from all over to translate the Bible. They even used the Ben Chayyim [Jewish convert] masoretic text instead of the Ben Asher, ["unclean" - came through kabbalists]. They also used the Byzantine manuscripts for the NT of which they are 5,000. The Bible that we have today in the form of the King James version is what God chose to preserve His Word.

If it were not for that Bible, we would not have one today.

Let me ask you another question [silly me Smile]. If the Bibles were all written by scratch by antichrists, then why do you read it? and quote from it? and trust in Christ because of it? I think that is called "doublemindedness" Popcorn



Quote:Translation does not require the Holy Spirit. It does not require expertise or Wisdom. Only knowledge and accuracy. The Bible is not a secret document requiring initiates into the mysteries to uncover. It is an Open book! And why the Catholics and Jews hated the Rpinting press. Because that is how they lost control.

I am at a loss for words .......... Sign0167


Quote:Reading an accurate translation is not learning the ways of pagans.

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Quote:Funny, that is exactly part of what "coming out of her" means!
Repentance is rejection and forsaking wickedness in addition to following righteousness.

I am not sure how you get from there to saying that a Christmas tree is wrong. We are so not on the same page with this Swoon

If it was listed in the NT as a sin, I could go there, but sins in the NT are really how we treat other people and how much we love [have a relationship] with God. Unless you can point me to some verses that say that objects are wicked? Let's kill that rock - it was bad - it fell on my toe!!!
(01-29-2010 05:46 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ]whoa! there were no "rabbis" when the Bible was written or translated from the Greek. There were many scholars from around the world that King James commissioned to translate the Bible.

No, if your bible is based upon the Masoretic Text then you have what I am talking about. and if you notice. Jesus quotes OT passages that are WRONG when you look them up. that is because he was quoting the Septuagint which I personally believe was an accurate translation until after Christianity devastated judaism and they changed their text out of bad motives.

Pre 1000AD Translation of the OT read differently because it was before the "discovery" of the 'hebrew text'

And God HAS preserved His word. I can take almost any translation and share the Gospel.

However the better the Translation the more you will grow!

God is faithful.

Quote:I suspect that your information comes from the anti-mish

I am an ordained evangelist, so no... I don't think so.

I also live in a Jewish community and know them better than they know themselves because I know Jesus. I have Pharisees living all around me teaching the SAME THING as they did 2000 years ago.

Have a blessed weekend.
(01-29-2010 06:11 PM)Scotchman Wrote: [ -> ]No, if your bible is based upon the Masoretic Text then you have what I am talking about. and if you notice. Jesus quotes OT passages that are WRONG when you look them up. that is because he was quoting the Septuagint which I personally believe was an accurate translation until after Christianity devastated judaism and they changed their text out of bad motives.

As Paul stated, the Jews were given the oracles aka the OT and did not "mistranslate it" Again, that is anti-mish legend to persecute the Word and to get Christians to doubt the Word.

The Mas Text is the only one we have. There are no others. So, God preserved that through the Jewish Scribes. They are not the bad guys Smile If it weren't for them, we would not have an OT.8836

The NT passages do not quote the Sept. The LXX has gone through 4 recensions - all from the middle ages and do not compare with each other at all. The last LXX recension does not match the Dead Sea Scrolls at all, but it does match the NT Greek enough so that scholars believe it was "smoothed" to match the NT. The agenda was to discredit the NT and to elevate the LXX above the mas text. Very insidious if you ask me!

Jesus did not use the LXX, nor did the disciples, that is what is called an urban myth because what frags we have from the DSS do not match the Greek of the NT. What we do have is an almost perfect match of the King James with the Isaiah scroll of the DSS. AWESOME!!! Jesus used the masoretic text - it is all that was available at that time.

It's sad that so much dis-information has been spread around - all to discredit the Word of God.


Quote:Pre 1000AD Translation of the OT read differently because it was before the "discovery" of the 'hebrew text'

I believe that is false information. There are only two mas manuscripts - the ben Chayyim and the ben asher. That's it! If we compare the King James Version, the Tyndale, and the Geneva, it is clear that the mas text they used compares favorably with the DSS. That is all the proof we need Smiley-face-thumb

Quote:And God HAS preserved His word. I can take almost any translation and share the Gospel.

However the better the Translation the more you will grow!

As long as it's not a modern translation - they are pretty much corrupt. They leave out phrases, words, and whole verses. So you really need to be careful.

[quoteI sheep:
I suspect that your information comes from the anti-mish[/b]
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Quote:I am an ordained evangelist, so no... I don't think so.

Yet, you were part of Judaism, which is anti-mish. The Talmud is quite the polemical writing against Christ, but I am sure you know that! Having been deeply involved in the Messianic movement, I am fully aware of the anti-mish stuff that has been incepted by HR and is now spreading into Christianity.

Quote:I also live in a Jewish community and know them better than they know themselves because I know Jesus. I have Pharisees living all around me teaching the SAME THING as they did 2000 years ago

I am not sure that I follow you. The Pharisees definitely morphed into Rabbinical authority, but much of what Judaism believes came from the middle ages and Rabbinical "arguments" over the last 1500 -1800 years or so.
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