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strefanash

The author of this video has the sense to decry the lunacy he portrays here, but it worries me. they think Obama is a Messiah who will save them.

He wont of course, and I am reminded that when the Antichrist emerges he will be adored even more.

THat is what concerns me. The world is lurching a little closer towards that direction.

Pray God I am dead of old age before it happens

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=aZjcFp60DJc&NR=1
Rick Warren's Inaugural Prayer [Invocation].

Perhaps "Pres" Obama is Rick's Messiah, too 10171

Oh, it seems that Mr Warren does not know the difference between Isalm's Isa and Jesus Christ - what a shock Lightning


Quote:Text of the invocation by Rev. Rick Warren for President Barack Obama's inauguration, as transcribed by CQ Transcriptions:

Let us pray.

Almighty God, our father, everything we see and everything we can't see exists because of you alone. It all comes from you, it all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory. History is your story.

The Scripture tells us Hear, oh Israel, the Lord is our God; the Lord is one. And you are the compassionate and merciful one. And you are loving to everyone you have made.

Now today we rejoice not only in America's peaceful transfer of power for the 44th time. We celebrate a hinge-point of history with the inauguration of our first African-American president of the United States.

We are so grateful to live in this land, a land of unequaled possibility, where the son of an African immigrant can rise to the highest level of our leadership.

And we know today that Dr. King and a great cloud of witnesses are shouting in Heaven.

Give to our new president, Barack Obama, the wisdom to lead us with humility, the courage to lead us with integrity, the compassion to lead us with generosity. Bless and protect him, his family, Vice President Biden, the Cabinet, and every one of our freely elected leaders.

Help us, oh God, to remember that we are Americans, united not by race or religion or blood, but to our commitment to freedom and justice for all.

When we focus on ourselves, when we fight each other, when we forget you, forgive us. When we presume that our greatness and our prosperity is ours alone, forgive us. When we fail to treat our fellow human beings and all the Earth with the respect that they deserve, forgive us.

And as we face these difficult days ahead, may we have a new birth of clarity in our aims, responsibility in our actions, humility in our approaches, and civility in our attitudes, even when we differ.

Help us to share, to serve and to seek the common good of all.

May all people of good will today join together to work for a more just, a more healthy and a more prosperous nation and a peaceful planet. And may we never forget that one day all nations and all people will stand accountable before you.

We now commit our new president and his wife, Michelle, and his daughters, Malia and Sasha, into your loving care.

I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life, Yeshua, Isa, Jesus, Jesus (hay-SOOS), who taught us to pray, Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.

Amen.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/2...n-Text.php

strefanash

A string of pious platitudes. That is why i am against public prayer on public occasions. The world is out in its best clothes, scrubbed and on its best behaviour, and a phoney invocation, even if the words are right, is shown to be a phoney invocation by what they will do after the prayer and the ceremony is finished.

After all, the world is still against the Most High.

Notice he asked "forgive us" not "give us a spirit of conviction of sin that we may genuinely repent".

Pious platitudes. For if the way is strait and narrow and few there are who find it how many in that crowd of 2 million have found it? a few hundred? So to the great majority only the pious platitude will do

And woe betide anyone who would dare mention on a time like this that the Bible says the nations are but a drop in the bucket designed for the merest minimum maintenance of order but also to prevent man from totally uniting, as they did at Babel

As for calling Him Isa, well i'd think it depends on what he means by this. After all I call him Isos - the Russian form, as in, sometimes, Isos Grozny, Jesus the Terrible (Mighty, Stern, Awesome) Tsar of Heaven
(01-21-2009 10:52 PM)strefanash Wrote: [ -> ]As for calling Him Isa, well i'd think it depends on what he means by this. After all I call him Isos - the Russian form, as in, sometimes, Isos Grozny, Jesus the Terrible (Mighty, Stern, Awesome) Tsar of Heaven

Isa is Jesus in Arabic as it appears in the qu'ran. Obama is a Muslim. Warren knew exactly what he was saying. However; many Christians do not understand that Allah and the Christian God are unrelated and that Jesus is just a prophet, a messenger like Muhammad - which makes it all the more tragic. Warren's prayer then seems to be "ecumenical"/feely/touchy holding hands across the water junk 2743

strefanash

Where is the evidence that Obama is a Muslim.

a fraud, yes, an empty suit, yes. but a muslim? as this is now the insult du jour in america these days i need more than the mere accusation.

and even if he is muslim, so what? back in the 8th century when europe was a pack of mud spatterd barbarians in constant civil war the Islamic Caliphate stretched from spain to india and was the greatest civilization in the world. I reject Islam as it rejects christ, but i will not call it barbarian and against civilization, for if you or your kids ever did algebra in high school, know the term is arabic, it was they who preserved the classical heritage also.

Mulsim terrorists are to islam as the KKK is to christianity, that is to say a fringe group of lunatics

much western thinking about islam is pure prejudice. to equate denying christ with terroism and barbarism is simply irrational

and yes I do know the name Isa. Should i refuse to call him Isos because of what the Russian Orthodox make of him?

what about the JEEEZUSS of the evangelicals? and what about the same name as a swear word that i grew up hearing constantly?

If I forebear to call him by this what remains. Hey you?? Smile

and of course the prayer was touchy feely nonsense. what did you expect? it was in a public occasion. when God is mentioned in the public square hypocrisy and blasphemy is the ONLY result, which is why i am not against removing mention of Him from public ceremonial. the hypocrisy of it sickens me
(01-22-2009 04:26 PM)strefanash Wrote: [ -> ]Where is the evidence that Obama is a Muslim.

and even if he is muslim, so what? back in the 8th century when europe was a pack of mud spatterd barbarians in constant civil war the Islamic Caliphate stretched from spain to india and was the greatest civilization in the world. I reject Islam as it rejects christ, but i will not call it barbarian and against civilization, for if you or your kids ever did algebra in high school, know the term is arabic, it was they who preserved the classical heritage also.


what about the JEEEZUSS of the evangelicals? and what about the same name as a swear word that i grew up hearing constantly?

If I forebear to call him by this what remains. Hey you?? Smile

Obama is a muslim by self admission and he was also raised as muslim in his younger years. After his bid for presidency he tried to hide that information by denying it. Surely he was joking. The evidence is overwhelming.

Islam is a violent barbaric religion. It's foundational tenet is to convert or kill. The goal of the qu'ran is to rule the world by killing infidels - an infidel is anyone who is not a Muslim. Sounds peaceful to me Swoon

To be an Arab does not mean one is a Muslim. There are lots of Muslims world wide, including many in the USA who have been brainwashed to believe Islam is a peace loving religion. Did you know that India has a very large population of Muslims?

I am not sure what you mean by this statement: "what about the JEEEZUSS of the evangelicals? and what about the same name as a swear word that i grew up hearing constantly?" Are you saying that "Jesus" is wrong?

strefanash

I am not sure what you mean by this statement: "what about the JEEEZUSS of the evangelicals? and what about the same name as a swear word that i grew up hearing constantly?" Are you saying that "Jesus" is wrong?

Stref: quite the opposite. As Isa is the arabic form of Iesous so is Jesus the english form of it.

If you defend using the english form of Yeshua you cannot condemn the Arabic form of it. Unless you want to go back to hebrew roots and only use the Hebrew form of it

If you condemn what arabs MEAN by the name Isa then i will respond that what most europeans mean by "Jesus" is also heretical, the gentle jesus meek and mild milk sop mothers boy who would not raise a finger to so much as swat a fly.

as for your comments on islam, you assume that it is a monolith, that there is no such thing as muslim moderates. this is, IMO prejudice and stereotype.

do you insist that the terrorists are real muslims and the others fail to apply it properly? what if the terrorists are heretics within islam?

Make no mistake, i dislike islam intensly, but i am not about to let centureos of prejudice blind me as to what it is. During the crusades the murderous thugs who broke treaties, the barbarian butchers, were the so called christians, the crusaders, which is why i regard the Crusades as a blasphemy and an abomination. Saladin, though a heretic for denying that Jesus is God, was a scholar and a gentleman

Make no mistake, i regard their law keeping as bogus. no one reaches God by law keeping and any view of human nature or sin that thinks law keeping would work is naive
and let me add when Europe was a pack of mud spattered barbarians who would start of a crusade with a ritual butchering of the local jews it was the Muslims who gave shelter to the Jews. Rabbi Moses Maimonides, (also known as RAMBAM an acrostic RAbbi Moses BAr Maimon) - one of the major figures in post exilic judaism, was based in muslim spain. (Spain was slowly reconquered by warriros who dared to call themselves christian, who feuded amongst themselfves more than against the Moors - arabic moslems. this reconquest was completed in 1492 and then was followed by one of the greatest atrocities in european history, the inquisiton.

and as for muslim treatment of Christians and Jews, their fate was not execution, but rather they were to pay a tax.

Did you know this?

If not then your thinking about islam is stereotype and prejudice. such things afflict the west and have done so for centures.

given the human response to evil, they hate us because we deserve it, they treat history of a thousand years ago as todays news, and if i did i would hate the crusaders, thugs on horseback, as they do

I am not afraid of Islam. I am TERRIFIED of what western secular governments are going to do in response to a perceived islamic threat
(01-23-2009 12:09 AM)strefanash Wrote: [ -> ]As Isa is the arabic form of Iesous so is Jesus the english form of it.

If you defend using the english form of Yeshua you cannot condemn the Arabic form of it. Unless you want to go back to hebrew roots and only use the Hebrew form of it

The problem is not the spelling or pronunciation of Isa - it was what it is in Arabic, just as Yeshua is the Hebrew form of Jesus. However; in context of Islam, Isa is not the Jesus of the Bible - but is a false concept. In Islam, Jesus is not the Christ, nor is He the Savior from sin, nor is He God. Islam views Isa a prophet, but not as great as Muhammad.


Quote:as for your comments on islam, you assume that it is a monolith, that there is no such thing as muslim moderates. this is, IMO prejudice and stereotype.

I do not recall stating there were no moderate muslims. The religion itself is not moderate. It is a violent godless disgusting barbaric religion which the qu'ran teaches. Those who take a "moderate" stand are in rebellion of their own "Holy Book".

Quote:do you insist that the terrorists are real muslims and the others fail to apply it properly? what if the terrorists are heretics within islam?

The terrorists are the true muslims and are practicing their religion as taught in the qu'ran and by example through Muhammad himself. The others are indeed failing to apply their religion properly. Just as those who in Christianity apply their religion falsely [the Crusades for example], does not mean that true Christianity is based on their perception.

Quote:and as for muslim treatment of Christians and Jews, their fate was not execution, but rather they were to pay a tax.

Did you know this?

It does not matter what they did - it's not what their religion teaches them to do. They are false muslims. Those who truly "live" by the book, would murder and kill infidels.

Quote:If not then your thinking about islam is stereotype and prejudice. such things afflict the west and have done so for centures.

I am not afraid of Islam. I am TERRIFIED of what western secular governments are going to do in response to a perceived islamic threat

I am not afraid of Islam either. It is what it is. God is in control, not some dead perverted homosexual prophet who could neither read nor write and got "revelation" from an angel who didn't know the difference between God and satan. Mohammad was a despicable man who murdered and plundered, raped and molested, and taught men to treat woman like animals and then promised those who did that they would get 72 virgins and 300 young virgin men to romp with for eternity Banned

It is Islam's intent to subdue the world - islam means submit and it doesn't mean submit to Allah, but that the world will submit to Islam 10171

Jesus stated that false prophets would come and deceive. He said they are evil trees that could only bring forth corrupt or evil fruit.


Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Why by their fruits you shall know them.

Quote:what about the JEEEZUSS of the evangelicals?

I think you are mistaken. I think that one is the one found within the charismatic camp---hey weren't you part of that? Isn't that where you found your Voice, so to speak? :poke:

Evangelicals---based on past history, say Jesus. Not JEEEZUSS. As messed up as many are getting with false doctrine, and new age mumbo jumbo, it's not the average evangelical who over emphasizes the syllables. I've always found it within the charis/pentecostal circles when people are getting wound up to get "slain" or pray ...in tongues... except they tend to fall backwards...which is really weird.

10171
Obama admits that he is a Muslim in a video that not only records his own words, but his staunch admiration of Islam. He glorifies it and esteems it over and over again. Please watch this - it is shocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWS...etailpage#
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