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I heard Perry Stone on the inspiration channel talk about the rapture. Does anyone know anything about him??
(02-12-2010 11:56 AM)Saltyone Wrote: [ -> ]I heard Perry Stone on the inspiration channel talk about the rapture. Does anyone know anything about him??

Here's from a few of my articles:

As an aside, Bill Cloud of Shoreshim [Roots] Ministries, who was recently seen on the Christian station, Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) with host and longtime associate Perry Stone of "Manna-fest". Bill Cloud is a regular speaker at both Prophecy Conferences and Hebraic Roots conferences, and was on a "Texas Tour with Brad Scott" in July 2004. Both are featured speakers at events sponsored by Monte Judah of Lion and Lamb Ministries, who also promotes and sells Brad Scott's tapes and teachings. Monte Judah has been billed at another groups gathering as the "Moses of America". Bill Cloud's teachings very much reflect Brad's Scott's and others in the push to "Hebraic Roots" or 'getting back' to "our" Jewish Roots. See also: MJAA Executives & The Hebrew Roots Fringe and More Ecumenical Comrades.

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Morris Cerullo, deemed a heretic by Mr. Prasch, spoke with many Christian “prophets” for “GOD'S NEWS BEHIND THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL PROPHECY CONFERENCE 2000” held in Orlando, Florida, APRIL 5-8, 2000. The ‘discernment’ ministry prophets" who attended were: 44 http://www.godsnews.com/main.htm

Jack and Rexella Van Impe
Grant Jeffrey

Chuck Missler
Ray Brubaker
Joe Van Koevering

Morris Cerullo
Perry Stone
Zola Levitt
J.R. Church

Hal Lindsey
John Bevere
Gary Kah
Bill Cloud


Philippians 1:15-17:

"Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel."

...The Prophecy Alliance, called PropheZine, shows some of it's members names to be the same as at the God's News Behind the News Conference. Those include: Berit Kjos, Gary Kah, Ron Wallace (Bible Fragrances), Shirley Ann Miller (Sr. Editor, Lampholder Newsletter), Bill Cloud, J.R. Church (Prophecy in the News), Ron Graff (Prophecy Central), The Trump of Maranatha, Arno Froese (Midnight Call), Scott Pearson, Terry Cook, Master Mind Ministries, Prophetic News and Analysis, Bible Guide and Jack Van Impe Ministries...

Bob Lally, Owner/Webmaster of PropehZine was raised a Reform Jew and is now AOG. His bio page includes a rotating 3D hexagram. 46 Ray Gano is Founder of PropheZine, which hosted a three-day international Prophecy Conference in Alta Loma, CA, on Sept 19- 21, 2000.

Speakers were: Tim LaHaye (CNP), Gary Kah, Berit Kjos, David Hocking- teaches weekly at Calvary Chapel of Santa Ana and in their Bible College at Murrieta Hot Springs; Steven Wright, Ron Graff, John Kinsella- author of The Eternal Generation and has contributed many articles and television scripts for both Hal Lindsey's "World Intelligence Briefing" and Peter Lalonde's "This Week In Bible Prophecy" and experience in the military and as a police detective; Scott Pearson is well known in the prophecy conference that is held every year in Tampa Florida hosted by Ray Brubaker of "God's News Behind The News" TV show.

Bill Cloud is a Gentile who studied under a rabbi and learned, through the study of Gematria, the Kabbalist interpretation of the Bible. His bio states:

"...he has spent many hours studying, not only the Hebrew text, but the Jewish roots of Christianity as well. This research has been rewarded with a keen insight into Biblical Judaism and its relationship to Christianity. Also, the Lord has given Bill the somewhat unique ability to understand the mysterious aspects of the Hebrew language such as the meaning of the letters, Gematria and the Torah Code phenomena. He first heard of Torah Codes back in 1989 and for the past several years has dedicated hundreds of hours researching this phenomena."

"This interest is tied into Bill's desire to unlock the deep secrets of the Word of God and to teach them, along with our Jewish roots, to the Church. Furthermore, this insight has allowed Bill to understand prophetic scripture...a licenced minister with the Church of God, served as the Youth Pastor in a large church in Central Florida. Since then, he has moved on to work with Perry Stone as a researcher, writer and speaker. Over the past two years, Bill has written articles for the Voice of Evangelism magazine, as well as for God's News Behind The News." http://www.prophezine.com/alliance/billcloud/

Voice of Evangelism >http://www.voe.org/home.cfm > is Perry Stone's ministry. We are reminded that Jews who do not know the Lord Jesus Christ are bound by the law. We cannot access their interpretation of the New Testament, and even the Old Testament is suspect to false interpretation by those who do not have Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:10-12 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

As has been proven, Gematria is a kabbalist teaching that Christians have no business dabbling in. It is the occult.

For more on Bill Cloud and his associations, please see: MJAA Executives & The Hebrew Roots "Fringe and the series on Brad Scott. As an aside, Bill Cloud of Shoreshim [Roots] Ministries, who was recently seen on the Christian station, Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) with host and longtime associate Perry Stone of "Manna-fest". Bill Cloud is a regular speaker at both Prophecy Conferences and Hebraic Roots conferences, and was on a "Texas Tour with Brad Scott" in July 2004. Both are featured speakers at events sponsored by Monte Judah of Lion and Lamb Ministries, who also promotes and sells Brad Scott's tapes and teachings. Monte Judah has been billed at another groups gathering as the "Moses of America". Bill Cloud's teachings very much reflect Brad's Scott's and others in the push to "Hebraic Roots" or 'getting back' to "our" Jewish Roots.Please see the series about Brad Scott in the Ministries and Leaders section: Brad Scott - Part 1: Introduction & Mountain West Mountain West Hebrew University Courses Brad Scott - Part 2: Pure Language & Sacred Name Brad Scott - Part 3: Gematria & the Apostle Paul Brad Scott - Part 4 : Torah Observant Gentile & Under the Law

Scott Pearson is a Jack Van Impe protégé and is connected with Perry Stone, who has a TV show. Voice of Evangelism, Stone's ministry mentioned above in connection to Bill Cloud and his kabbalism, has him denying being a Messianic Jew although he has Jewish heritage and teaches Hebraic roots and is found over and over again on Messianic sites. Scott Pearson's bio shows a picture of himself and Gary Kah "breaking bread together."


"...In 1981, Scott graduated from Amsterdam High School (Upstate New York), he soon afterward attended a Jack Van Impe Crusade. Previous to that time, Scott knew about God but didn't really know about receiving Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour. Henceforth, the message that Jack Van Impe shared that night so stirred him that he got save a as a result of that crusade. Scott then graduated from Schenectady College with an Associate in Science degree (Performing Arts in Music). He then graduated from Logos Bible college....He has been openly endorsed by the likes of such men as, Dr. Jack Van Impe, Perry Stone, as well as other nationally known evangelists. Scott was also recently (95-97) one of the keynote speakers at Dr. Ray Brubaker's highly acclaimed Annual International Prophecy Conference." 47

"God has given Scott a wonderful grasp of His Word, and there is every evidence of the study of the Word of God on his part". Dr. David Breese [CNP] , Television Host The King Is Coming. "Scott's a great preacher.... You're going to enjoy him". Dr. Jack Van Impe" 48

See: MJAA Executives & The Hebrew Roots Fringe



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I believe I have more on file.
He's hebrew roots wanting to get people "back" to their Jewish roots--sells tallit (prayer shawls), star of david etc on his site

Pushes bible codes -
"A decade before most Americans had ever heard of the Bible Code, Perry had not only heard of it, but had begun informing churches about this now famous phenomena"....meaning he pushes kabbalah's gematria which is what the 'codes' are about.

He also pushes passover seder, etc and other HR teachings - he is charismatic. Holds the rank of an ordained Bishop with the Church of God, (Cleveland, Tennessee)

According to his statement of faith believes:
Quote:
"In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.
In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost. "
In the nine gifts and the nine fruits of the Spirit as taught in the New Testament, healing is provided for all through the sufferings of Christ. "


Frequently has Bill Cloud on his show teaching with him.

He sold personal communion packages with his book 'The meal that heals". Teaching that if you take communion everyday--likened to the catholic beliefs- that you will not be sick etc. and would be blessed.

He sold the communion parfanalia with Paula White and this site has a brief record of that:
http://www.salvacioneterna.com/perry_sto..._white.htm

Paula White is word faith, false prophet and false teacher.
>examples of her teachings:


Quote:As my cherished Covenant Partner my staff and I pledge to pray for you daily as I keep you under my spiritual covering." from the "Partner with Paula" page on the Paula White website. http://www.paulawhite.org/partnering.htm

"As a treasured Covenant Partner, you also share in the anointing and favor on Paula’s life as she keeps you under her Spiritual Covering by praying for you, your loved ones, and your needs on a daily basis." from the "Partner with Paula" page on the Paula White website. http://www.paulawhite.org/partnering.htm

"Just like Bishop Long said, 'You need to bring your report, you need to bring your spoils (Give to TBN) to God.'" (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"When God speaks to you, you better praise Him, you better go to the phone and sow $71.21. Believing God will increase your greatness." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"I know the phones are jammed right now, but go to the phone and sow $71.21 for the next 12 months according to Psalm 71:21. Believing God will increase your greatness." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"I believe tonight that God will do a master breakthrough in your life. When God speaks to you go to the phone and give $71.21 for 12 months and God will increase your greatness and do something great in your life." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"In my residence one night, I'm sitting there and God takes me in a vision, literally in a trance. I'm so young in the Lord I don't even know it's a trance. [Benny Hinn: You're still 18?]. 18 years old and God shows me that everywhere my voice is heard there is a manifestation of the Spirit. As far as my eye can see multitudes of millions of people are falling under the power of God. They're either getting saved, or healed, or delivered. Where my voice is not heard they are falling off into utter darkness and I'm literally in a trance. I can see myself. God's giving me this vision and said, 'Paula, I'm calling you to preach the gospel.'"
(Paula White, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn Show," July 22, 2004)

"And so the principle here is if I take for myself when it's time to give to the kingdom I can bring a curse on myself." "You will die! You will die unless you go to the phone and do what God says to do." "Don't just listen to the Word of the Lord, you got to do the Word of the Lord! You will die! You will die unless you go to the phone and do what God says to do."
(Paula White, Benny Hinn Telethon, LeSea Network, April 16, 2004)
http://www.forgottenword.org/white.html

In the promotion on Perry Stone's website store it states this about the Meal that Heals and which no longer offers the communion extras:

Quote: Product Description
In 2002 Perry Stone released the 80-page book entitled "MEAL THAT HEALS."
Since that time, there has been a large amount of new insight and historical research, as well as many questions from our readers. This new expanded book explains in clear detail the importance of receiving daily Communion for intimacy with Christ and for your healing! The majority of the content of this book was not in the first book!
This book explains:
15 most common questions
The difference between the Catholic Mass and Protestant Communion
Transubstantiation, consubstantiation, and the Communion as a memorial
How Christ's suffering effect a three-fold atonement including physical healing
Amazing secrets that occurred in Gethsemane
Details about the manna in the wilderness and its parallel to Communion
Quotes from scholars and early historians regarding breaking bread from house to house
The Didache and the banquet of the Messiah
This faith building book explains one of the greatest subjects in the believer's life and I believe it will set you on the road to intimacy, strength, and healing!"

The Didache is discussed on this thread: http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...ht=didache

Some are reporting he is a false prophet, having recounted dreams as from God and then recounting them as that's what they meant after something happens. Anyone who has visions and says they're a revelation from God is claiming to be a prophet. Scripture says if a prophet's predictions are not 100% true, then he is a false prophet. Some say he does not claim to be a prophet and yet his focus is Prophecy, and from his website, "...he has distinguished himself as one of America’s foremost experts on Bible Prophecy. This recognition is not self-appointed. Perry is often featured as a keynote speaker at internationally recognized Prophecy Conferences...." He's on TBN, Daystar and INSP.

In looking at his various teachings, he includes a lot of personal experiences as being parallel to a Scripture---when it appears to me to be occultic and has nothing to do with Christ. ex his teaching about angels, and offending them. etc.

He parallels the rapture to the Jewish wedding > that is discussed here:
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...sh+wedding

and as a website article here > The Jewish Wedding and the Rapture : Understanding the Rapture from Jewish Wedding Traditions > http://www.seekgod.ca/rapturewedding.htm

I think he is just one more in a long line to be avoided.
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(02-13-2010 11:05 AM)Vic Wrote: [ -> ]He's hebrew roots wanting to get people "back" to their Jewish roots--sells tallit (prayer shawls), star of david etc on his site

Pushes bible codes -
"A decade before most Americans had ever heard of the Bible Code, Perry had not only heard of it, but had begun informing churches about this now famous phenomena"....meaning he pushes kabbalah's gematria which is what the 'codes' are about.

He also pushes passover seder, etc and other HR teachings - he is charismatic. Holds the rank of an ordained Bishop with the Church of God, (Cleveland, Tennessee)

According to his statement of faith believes:
Quote:
"In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.
In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost. "
In the nine gifts and the nine fruits of the Spirit as taught in the New Testament, healing is provided for all through the sufferings of Christ. "


Frequently has Bill Cloud on his show teaching with him.

He sold personal communion packages with his book 'The meal that heals". Teaching that if you take communion everyday--likened to the catholic beliefs- that you will not be sick etc. and would be blessed.

He sold the communion parfanalia with Paula White and this site has a brief record of that:
http://www.salvacioneterna.com/perry_sto..._white.htm

Paula White is word faith, false prophet and false teacher.
>examples of her teachings:


Quote:As my cherished Covenant Partner my staff and I pledge to pray for you daily as I keep you under my spiritual covering." from the "Partner with Paula" page on the Paula White website. http://www.paulawhite.org/partnering.htm

"As a treasured Covenant Partner, you also share in the anointing and favor on Paula’s life as she keeps you under her Spiritual Covering by praying for you, your loved ones, and your needs on a daily basis." from the "Partner with Paula" page on the Paula White website. http://www.paulawhite.org/partnering.htm

"Just like Bishop Long said, 'You need to bring your report, you need to bring your spoils (Give to TBN) to God.'" (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"When God speaks to you, you better praise Him, you better go to the phone and sow $71.21. Believing God will increase your greatness." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"I know the phones are jammed right now, but go to the phone and sow $71.21 for the next 12 months according to Psalm 71:21. Believing God will increase your greatness." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"I believe tonight that God will do a master breakthrough in your life. When God speaks to you go to the phone and give $71.21 for 12 months and God will increase your greatness and do something great in your life." (Paula White, TBN, Praise-A-Thon, March 29, 2004)

"In my residence one night, I'm sitting there and God takes me in a vision, literally in a trance. I'm so young in the Lord I don't even know it's a trance. [Benny Hinn: You're still 18?]. 18 years old and God shows me that everywhere my voice is heard there is a manifestation of the Spirit. As far as my eye can see multitudes of millions of people are falling under the power of God. They're either getting saved, or healed, or delivered. Where my voice is not heard they are falling off into utter darkness and I'm literally in a trance. I can see myself. God's giving me this vision and said, 'Paula, I'm calling you to preach the gospel.'"
(Paula White, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn Show," July 22, 2004)

"And so the principle here is if I take for myself when it's time to give to the kingdom I can bring a curse on myself." "You will die! You will die unless you go to the phone and do what God says to do." "Don't just listen to the Word of the Lord, you got to do the Word of the Lord! You will die! You will die unless you go to the phone and do what God says to do."
(Paula White, Benny Hinn Telethon, LeSea Network, April 16, 2004)
http://www.forgottenword.org/white.html

In the promotion on Perry Stone's website store it states this about the Meal that Heals and which no longer offers the communion extras:

Quote: Product Description
In 2002 Perry Stone released the 80-page book entitled "MEAL THAT HEALS."
Since that time, there has been a large amount of new insight and historical research, as well as many questions from our readers. This new expanded book explains in clear detail the importance of receiving daily Communion for intimacy with Christ and for your healing! The majority of the content of this book was not in the first book!
This book explains:
15 most common questions
The difference between the Catholic Mass and Protestant Communion
Transubstantiation, consubstantiation, and the Communion as a memorial
How Christ's suffering effect a three-fold atonement including physical healing
Amazing secrets that occurred in Gethsemane
Details about the manna in the wilderness and its parallel to Communion
Quotes from scholars and early historians regarding breaking bread from house to house
The Didache and the banquet of the Messiah
This faith building book explains one of the greatest subjects in the believer's life and I believe it will set you on the road to intimacy, strength, and healing!"

The Didache is discussed on this thread: http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...ht=didache

Some are reporting he is a false prophet, having recounted dreams as from God and then recounting them as that's what they meant after something happens. Anyone who has visions and says they're a revelation from God is claiming to be a prophet. Scripture says if a prophet's predictions are not 100% true, then he is a false prophet. Some say he does not claim to be a prophet and yet his focus is Prophecy, and from his website, "...he has distinguished himself as one of America’s foremost experts on Bible Prophecy. This recognition is not self-appointed. Perry is often featured as a keynote speaker at internationally recognized Prophecy Conferences...." He's on TBN, Daystar and INSP.

In looking at his various teachings, he includes a lot of personal experiences as being parallel to a Scripture---when it appears to me to be occultic and has nothing to do with Christ. ex his teaching about angels, and offending them. etc.

He parallels the rapture to the Jewish wedding > that is discussed here:
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...sh+wedding

and as a website article here > The Jewish Wedding and the Rapture : Understanding the Rapture from Jewish Wedding Traditions > http://www.seekgod.ca/rapturewedding.htm

I think he is just one more in a long line to be avoided.
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It almost sounds like people are afraid of Hebraic Roots? I have looked at several post on here and read that people saying this one is false and that one is false. It almost sounds like a witch hunt. One thing I think people forget Jesus is a Jew. He observed the feasts as well. He had disciples/apostles who were Jewish. These were trained in Hebrew/Jewish Bible. It stands to reason that is how Jesus taught people. He came to fulfill the law, not do away with it. I know that some of these teachers teach that too. I also know they profess Jesus as Lord and Savior and that He is the only way to heaven through His Blood that He shed on the cross. What people should do is look into what they are saying and see if it lines up with Scripture. Pray and ask God if that is someone who they should listen to. Then if all is ok then by all means continue learning from them. If not then turn from them. Don't take what someone say's as being true, I am talking about the ones who say these people are false. Because from experience I have heard people say things that sounded true, but then found out that they were lying. Or that they heard someone else say it and they started to say it themselves passing it off as being true. My experience comes from being raised in a few different denominations. My grandfather being a pastor of one of them. (Finding out some of those churches/beliefs were lies. Even from my own grandfather who I thought wouldn't lie. Maybe he didn't know any different or he heard someone say that.) I also studied and prayed asking God for wisdom. Now being directed into a new study which is a challenge. But God is there with me every step of the way. Be blessed in your search.
(12-18-2012 11:21 PM)kingdavid6268 Wrote: [ -> ]It almost sounds like people are afraid of Hebraic Roots? I have looked at several post on here and read that people saying this one is false and that one is false. It almost sounds like a witch hunt. One thing I think people forget Jesus is a Jew. He observed the feasts as well. He had disciples/apostles who were Jewish. These were trained in Hebrew/Jewish Bible. It stands to reason that is how Jesus taught people. He came to fulfill the law, not do away with it. I know that some of these teachers teach that too. I also know they profess Jesus as Lord and Savior and that He is the only way to heaven through His Blood that He shed on the cross. What people should do is look into what they are saying and see if it lines up with Scripture. Pray and ask God if that is someone who they should listen to. Then if all is ok then by all means continue learning from them. If not then turn from them. Don't take what someone say's as being true, I am talking about the ones who say these people are false. Because from experience I have heard people say things that sounded true, but then found out that they were lying. Or that they heard someone else say it and they started to say it themselves passing it off as being true. My experience comes from being raised in a few different denominations. My grandfather being a pastor of one of them. (Finding out some of those churches/beliefs were lies. Even from my own grandfather who I thought wouldn't lie. Maybe he didn't know any different or he heard someone say that.) I also studied and prayed asking God for wisdom. Now being directed into a new study which is a challenge. But God is there with me every step of the way. Be blessed in your search.

No one is afraid of HR here. However your response has nothing to do with this thread. If you took the time you would see a massive amount of research discussing HR on my website, as well as in the various sections specifically focused on HR in this forum. All making enquiry just like you mention, all taking what is being said using direct quotes and analzying it factually and Scripturally. So you are not basing anything you have said on actual accurate or well considered information when accusing us to reject HR is because of lying etc. Think carefully before you do that again.

If you wish to discuss the many doctrines and beliefs, please do find the appropriate threads to address your concerns. PLease also take the time to read the forum rules, and familiarise yourself with the website and forum. It's obvious you made comments and false accusations based on ignorance.
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