I've seen "Sola Scriptura" and "Solus Christus" (incorrectly rendered "Sola Christus") but I'd never heard of the other three, or the group of five. They make sense in the context of countering Roman Catholic theology, which essentially deifies the Pope and worships the goddess (Catholic Mary).
I find the attempts to give sayings or formulas or whatever list of things one wishes to say captures all that are the 'foundations' of the faith, tend to miss a lot. Are we saved by God's grace--absolutely. But the rest of the verse says---we are saved by God's grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:4-8 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
And the faith must have certain things:
James 2:20-26 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23. And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
We are saved by God's grace, through faith--not of ourselves, yet Jesus said:
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 14:26-27 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
I think every aspect of the Scriptures are important to know and understand in order to serve Christ and proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can't have leave out any of it, because it all works together to give understanding and growth.
I really dislike the little formulas and sayings and find them to be fully inadequate in presenting Scriptural Truth.
To me, if one were to take the five things listed as meaning anything, it should be somewhat like this:
God's Grace + Jesus Christ + Faith + Scripture + Glory to God Alone is only the beginning of understanding the Gospel and our need of Jesus Christ and dependence on Him. Without Him we can do nothing to please God and we have no righteousness in ourselves which is why He died on the cross for our sins. If we love Him we will obey Him and His Word which is the Sword of the Spirit, and walk by faith--which comes from Him, and our works will confirm our faith just as what we say and do will confirm our walk with Him.
The simplicity of serving Christ is bound within the Scriptures and simplistic phrasings misses Scriptural truths many times. I know the reformers were literally under the gun, and the error and heresies of the catholic church was to be exposed. But I am not so sure that shortened little sayings like that helped anyone's understandings of Scriptural Truth. People needed the absolute Truth of the Word, not sayings. They needed to hear Scriptures like I listed.
Romans 10:11-15 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15. And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
i agree we need more then sayings and I visit this one site which I"m not sure I able to post yet that explains the solos in deep detail and it had help me understtand scripture truth, The person who site I visit just not go through all the verses but he actually goes in the greek detail of the verses.
when I able to post links i gave it to you.
it Like The trinity if we would to say oh God is one but exist as 3 persons and stop at that we left out tons of scripture truth then because saying this does not even begin to explain the trinty!
(06-28-2010 09:59 AM)sheep wrecked Wrote: [ -> ] (06-27-2010 05:06 PM)truthbetold Wrote: [ -> ]i agree we need more then sayings and I visit this one site which I"m not sure I able to post yet that explains the solos in deep detail and it had help me understtand scripture truth, The person who site I visit just not go through all the verses but he actually goes in the greek detail of the verses.
when I able to post links i gave it to you.
it Like The trinity if we would to say oh God is one but exist as 3 persons and stop at that we left out tons of scripture truth then because saying this does not even begin to explain the trinty!
The solos compromise the Scriptures because it singles out each concept as a separate idea. If you say "Grace Alone" or "Faith Alone" you are contradicting yourself. "Alone" means ONLY, so if it's "grace alone" then we don't need faith, and vice versa. Do you see how confusing that is? The NT is clear that faith, grace, Scripture, Christ, Holy Spirit and glory to God are all wrapped up into one. You cannot separate them.
Not only that, the 5 solas work against each other because the very first sola ia disregarded. If it's Scripture alone, then why did man come up with a system to "explain"? I understand the issues of fighting against Catholocism and perhaps those times required a good defense for the Bible, but if one is "sola Scriptura" then one can use the Holy Word of God to defend the Truth alone, and not compromise the Gospel. The 5 solas are misleading.
Anyway, that is my 
worth!
I hadn't thought of that when I posted my comment above. Sorry for posting it.
