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Was Moses led by Jesus? - YYZ Skinhead - 04-20-2009 05:52 PM
I have no idea where to post this question, as there are several sub-forums where it may fit.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Was Jesus the personage of the Godhead who led the Israelite tribes out of Egypt, before He became Human? If so, are modern Jews who worship in Biblical Judaism (without the pollution of the Talmud and Kabbalah) worshipping the Son of God, but don't realize that the God of Moses is the same as Jesus? Somebody correct me, because the first time I remember reading Hebrews 11:26 it completely threw me for a loop. :what:
RE: Was Moses led by Jesus? - sheep wrecked - 04-20-2009 06:15 PM
(04-20-2009 05:52 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote: I have no idea where to post this question, as there are several sub-forums where it may fit.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Was Jesus the personage of the Godhead who led the Israelite tribes out of Egypt, before He became Human? If so, are modern Jews who worship in Biblical Judaism (without the pollution of the Talmud and Kabbalah) worshipping the Son of God, but don't realize that the God of Moses is the same as Jesus? Somebody correct me, because the first time I remember reading Hebrews 11:26 it completely threw me for a loop. :what:
Moses prophesied of Christ's coming. I would think that Hebrews is simply pointing to the fact that Moses knew that the Messiah would come and suffer for sin, for Moses stated that a prophet would come that was like him and the people should listen to Him. It's interesting that on the Mt of Transfiguration, that is exactly what God said again, and Moses was there, too!
Deut 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the middle of you, of your brothers, like to me; to him you shall listen;
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus takes Peter, James, and John his brother, and brings them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if you will, let us make here three tabernacles; one for you, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear you him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Paul speaks of Christ again as the Rock through which Israel was given drink - which is excellent "proof" of the Deity of Christ.
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Remember that the things in the OT were shadows of Christ which we understand now, seeing the fulfillment of them.
RE: Was Moses led by Jesus? - Rose of Shushan - 04-20-2009 06:46 PM
Quote:Was Jesus the personage of the Godhead who led the Israelite tribes out of Egypt, before He became Human? If so, are modern Jews who worship in Biblical Judaism (without the pollution of the Talmud and Kabbalah) worshipping the Son of God, but don't realize that the God of Moses is the same as Jesus?
They know God but they don´t know the Son.The full revelation of the Son came in what the NT calls the latter days
Heb 1:1 God, who at many times and in various manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
The prophets hinted and gave us pointers about him, the Sinai experience also but the full revelation didnt come until 2000 years ago.And many didnt believe him.
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1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Jesus wasnt really a rock, he wasnt really in the mannah physically.Those were physical representations of spiritual realities which are only revealed to us fully after Jesus was born on earth.
So in answer to your question I would say they know God the Father but they do not know his Son.
Pro 30:4 Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? who has gathered the wind in his fists? who has bound the waters in a garment? who has established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if you can tell?
They can't tell the sons name sadly.