Quote:What about eating --do you keep all the kosher laws every day, every meal, snack, restuarant you eat at?

This I do currently for the last few years clam chowder was my favorite soup actually, just was something I myself chose to do

Hey Malawk

I read that and did a :shocked:

I thought you werent into home cooking and ate a lot of prepared meals and takeaways.Didnt know they were from kosher takeaways though.
And I recall you never even kept the dietary laws pertaining to Passover and feast of Unleavened bread.I remember last Passover we got together remember and did the last supper remembrance thing and funnily enough I used matza but you used normal shopbought bread if I recall. And Im sure you didn’t buy Kosher for Passover wine.:shameonyou:
Now either Ive got very bad amnesia or I didn’t read the above quote correctly.

Quote:Hey Malawk

I read that and did a

I thought you werent into home cooking and ate a lot of prepared meals and takeaways.Didnt know they were from kosher takeaways though.
And I recall you never even kept the dietary laws pertaining to Passover and feast of Unleavened bread.I remember last Passover we got together remember and did the last supper remembrance thing and funnily enough I used matza but you used normal shopbought bread if I recall. And Im sure you didn’t buy Kosher for Passover wine.
Now either Ive got very bad amnesia or I didn’t read the above quote correctly.

Quote:Is not the above refference of God curcimsising the children of Israels heart in refference to Christ? personally I believe it is, perhaps you believe differently not sure, if though Moses here is prophesying of Christ and the new covenant what are we to make of the rest of the prophecy which entails the children of Israel obeying everything which Moses commanded them "this day"?

Greg, if you don't keep the law of Moses, nor do you advocate that it must be kept and it is in fact not in force and not part of the New Covenant--would you please make that clear statement?

As Malawk, I am familiar with you from Messianic Apologetic, and also Paltalk. I saw you there myself. I am somewhat familiar with some of the company you keep there, including those who openly despise Christians. Are you there protesting those beliefs, Malawk?

So---are your continual statements re the law, concerning Ephraim, the sheet vision not including animals and similar, suggesting you are not only advocating keeping the mosaic law--but you attempt to keep it? It not only looks like a duck, it sounds like one Greg. And if you attempt to keep it Greg, we've been through the verses regarding that--to not keep it all places you under the curse of the law.

Now if I am inaccurate in your advocating keeping the law, then all you need to do is state you take the Christian view of the NT, the New Covenant and Christ and doubt nothing in it, and do not advocate the Hebrew Roots view or Messianic view which presents itself as law bound--not all but many.

And can you clearly state that you definitely reject the error of the lost tribes, ephraim/two house/ british israel beliefs and totally reject any implied anti semitism found within those teachings?

Quote: Greg, if you don't keep the law of Moses, nor do you advocate that it must be kept and it is in fact not in force and not part of the New Covenant--would you please make that clear statement?

Quote:As Malawk, I am familiar with you from Messianic Apologetic, and also Paltalk. I saw you there myself. I am somewhat familiar with some of the company you keep there, including those who openly despise Christians. Are you there protesting those beliefs, Malawk?

Quote:So---are your continual statements re the law, concerning Ephraim, the sheet vision not including animals and similar, suggesting you are not only advocating keeping the mosaic law--but you attempt to keep it? It not only looks like a duck, it sounds like one Greg. And if you attempt to keep it Greg, we've been through the verses regarding that--to not keep it all places you under the curse of the law

Quote:Now if I am inaccurate in your advocating keeping the law, then all you need to do is state you take the Christian view of the NT, the New Covenant and Christ and doubt nothing in it, and do not advocate the Hebrew Roots view or Messianic view which presents itself as law bound--not all but many.

And can you clearly state that you definitely reject the error of the lost tribes, ephraim/two house/ british israel beliefs and totally reject any implied anti semitism found within those teachings?

Quote:Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call [them] to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

Assyria and Babylon, that’s the two nations into which they were driven.

Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:4 If [any] of thine be driven out unto the outmost [parts] of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Moses here sees what will befall the people in the future when they fail to heed the words of the covenant and are scattered into the nations.He also sees what will happen even after that when God will have mercy and cut a new covenant with those who returned from the captivities.

Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day
Deu 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers

This did happen after they returned from Babylon.God blessed them and the land and they did observe the commandments once again.
Yes they took great care to observe the letter of the law as we saw with the Pharisees but still their hearts weren’t in it.
Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, [and] if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

Quote:seems here your saying that verse 6 the circumsising of thier heart is the promise of the new covenant but then it jumps back in verses 7 8 and 9 to before Messiah and not that the blessings upon thier enemies and the keeping of the the commandments and the obeying of His voice is a "result" of the circumsising of thier heart in verse 6 if I am understanding you correctly.

I think.LOL.As I'm not too sure I understood your last rather long sentence.
The circumcised heart is an allusion to the New Covenant.
The keeping of the commandments in this case refers to Moses' commandments,since thats why I replied originally with my explanation.Since you had highlighted in one of your posts where it said that they would observe Moses commandments that were given them that day.
Note however that this is in Deuteronomy,Moses was giving them an overall view of what would happen when the commandments were not kept and the curses of the Law would come upon them.
Moses had an unenviable task there.Impressing upon the people the blessings and curses of the covenant, giving hope but also stern warning.
So anyway all he gave was not set in stone(excuse the pun :bouncy.It was conditional the Sinai Covenant was conditional,it carried the ifs and that was what Moses was setting out with his words.

Quote:Malawk:... when you say "law of Moses" here I am guessing that you mean the law of Moses in its entirity in its full and as to if I keep it all entirely of course the question is no. Do I advocate the keeping of the law of Moses in its entirity (I believe this is what you mean) then the answer is no again. Partially yes on both of these though, one cannot help but advocate parts of the law of Moses since Jesus Himself quotes from it to all believers

Greg, there is no way to get around those verses concerning keeping the Mosaic law. None. Nada. No way.

Your statements suggest that you choose to pick and choose what laws you will apply to your life and you violate the very scriptures you say you try to keep. There is no Scripture to support you trying to keep bits and pieces of the Mosaic law.

Jesus quoted from the law, and showed new applications also--Before He died on the cross. Keeping the law of Moses was mandatory--with no excuses why they weren't applied and carried out, including the judgments, such as stoning adulterers, etc. To have not, would have exiled them from the covenants and promises. In transitioning to the New Covenant we see examples of Jesus not enforcing the Mosaic covenant but showing mercy or giving what was to be part of the New Covenant. After Jesus Christ died the New Covenant was in place.

You seem confused as to what that means.

Call the Mosaic law the old covenant or contract between God and Israel. Israel broke the covenant. Then God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience--and He broke it so that a better way would be known.

In His love and mercy He provided a better way and promised a New Covenant--a new contract that was to be better than the old contract. Why? because mankind sins and could never keep the Old contract.

If you know anything about writing contracts --- many times concepts are carried forward from the old contract--which is why we see mention of things that reflect as being from the OT-- not just the Law of Moses. Things one finds in the OT but now, rendered part of the NT. As we see in Matthew 5, Jesus presented many "You have heard it said" and then provided new understanding and hence new commandments, with, "but I say unto you." We also see Him showing love, mercy and compassion instead of enforcing the judgements of the Mosaic law. ex: the woman taken in adultery; the woman with the issue of blood; touching dead bodies and so on.

Fast forward to Jesus dying on the cross, rising on the third day and sits at the Right hand of the Father--ever making intercession for those who believe. The priesthood changed, as did the covenant with Israel and all mankind.

The New Testament encompasses that promised new covenant from God.

If on a journey, Greg, do you leave and then at the end of each day of travel, return to the point of starting? The law was good and just when it was in force, but trying to go back under it is to return to what God has said is fulfilled in Christ. He wants our focus to be on serving Jesus Christ. Galatians is filled with all the excuses people try to use to reject the New and return to the Old. It goes against what God said in the Old--but that doesn't matter to some. You can not straddle the fence with one foot in the old and one in the new. It doesn't work that way at all.

It's about Christ, Greg, following Him, not trying to keep under the schoolmaster that held no promise of eternal life.

Greg, you asked what is the "Christian" view of the NT etc. I have just given it to you as briefly as I can from my understanding of being a Christian over 35 years. I have no idea what others think in the list you gave. If you don't know what I mean by Christian, read the thread below http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=50

Being a Christian not only includes that brief comment I made as the last post, but includes belief in: the virgin birth, the divinity of Christ, the finished work of the cross--by the way--do you believe in those Greg? the Scriptures as our standard and source of truth and so on.

Further, the lost tribes/ephraim doctrine is scriptural error and some would say heresy. There weren't just ten tribes and they weren't lost. If they were lost, James would not have written " to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." Nor would we see the Jews from every nation in Acts 2. No one got lost unless it was spiritually, which was the case for many over the years.

But with Christ, no one need be lost...if they believe Him.