(04-21-2011 12:00 AM)Vic Wrote:  One more thought. Sarah you said you use your logic and your analytical mind to determine what's right--which actually means it's not about what the Holy Spirit teaches or provides. However, analyse this.

You have presented information about what you think is the full story of when eggs began to be decorated and hence why all eggs and paint must be evil. However, eggs were eaten from the beginning of time. And since eggs are in your own presentation as part of pagan belief, you had better purge your home of every egg, and every product that has eggs as part of it's makeup, because egyptians for example also made recipes using eggs-including custard. Because otherwise you will be guilty of pagan practices and thought because even to look at an egg must mean you believe the same as the egyptians and others. That also goes for those chickens, lambs, goats, cows, bunnies...any animal, fruit, grass, vegetable, because they are all used by pagans in pagan religious beliefs at some point. And as far as paint, since it was used for pagan eggs, you must eliminate all paint from your home, furniture, walls....oh and if you have have furniture and it set in any way but haphazard, you are likely practicing feng shui, and if you sit or stand in a certain way at a certain time, you are practicing a pagan practice that you need to stop. And if you wear clothes with patterns such as paisley and bright colors, elminate them because you are practicing pagan ways--think India religious beliefs for example. And if you look at a sunrise or sunset and consider it, you are guilty of a pagan religious practice. If you look at the sky or walk in a grove of trees--don't do it, because you are guilty of a pagan practice. If you pray, standing, kneeling, looking up, looking down, bowing, you are guilty of practicing pagan religious practices. Since you are now in the world and everything you do is of the world in some way, you obviously are not of Christ and are hypocritical if you are involved in any of the above, because in Christ, we are free from the world and live to Him [/b][/color][color=#9400D3]

Quote:Eggs are a natural occurrance. Dyes which were orginally from fruits and vegetables are also natural occurring substances....I decide I want copy these precise motions, yes that would be pagan. The holy spirit would not inspire someone to repeat practices that were invented from the inspiration of worshipping a false god.

(04-21-2011 07:08 PM)Vic Wrote:  Sarah putting two natural things together is not pagan. Putting dye on something is not pagan. God had Israel dye things. Look it up. If I dye cotton, which is not naturally anything but white, I am not entering into a pagan practice am I? If dye is added to a food, is it a pagan practice? If you boil an egg with onion skins and it turns color---is that a pagan practice?

If you face east and watch a sunrise and enjoy it, you are participating in a pagan practice based on your logic.

If you pray facing east, you are participating in a pagan practice. Doesn't matter the intent of who you pray to, it's that action of facing east and prayer, and just as you said, it's the pagan ritual...

Eggs have to be evil Sarah, according to your statements. Because people of the world aren't sacrificing to pagan gods with eggs or bunnies in stores or other places that have them, and neither are Christians. So it has to be the eggs, which pagans even today view in a religious manner and the paint that must also be evil and pagan. Because it cannot simply be the mindset behind the use of something of God's creation can it? And it cannot be the mindset behind things that God allowed to be invented and used, and which also Israel used, such as dye.

Paint originally came from iron oxide. It was used for cave paintings. The egyptians developed colors for paint, which for them carried a religious significance and they believed that it had magical and healing properties and so then they painted their walls of their homes. So if you use color, in your clothes, in your furniture, paint your walls, we can only assume, now that you know this information, you are thinking what they thought. Must be magic. Therefore, to avoid being viewed as a pagan or worshipping false gods, you need to dismantle your life and go with black or white. But wait, goth's and satanists use black. But cults like druids wear white, and those are all paint colors anyway....might need to go back to skins like God made Adam and Eve, but....might be a problem there because all animals are used somewhere for pagan worship. I sense a quandry for you.

Clement of Alexandria thought Christians should not dye any clothes from their natural fibre, because the heathen dyed their clothes bright colors for their festivals to Bacchus and such. Got anything in your wardrobe that's dyed and not simply in it's natural state?

Btw you missed answering these questions, and since this appears to be your area of expertise, I would really appreciate if you could provide the data so I could pursue research on these occurences. I had asked you this:

DO you know any Christians worshipping a bunny or egg or who are involved in using them to worship or give sacrifice to a false god? How about To sacrifice a bunny to God? IN all my years I have never seen a bunny in a church, being worshipped, sacrificed or otherwise.

Thanks.

(04-21-2011 11:35 PM)sari83 Wrote:  

(04-21-2011 07:08 PM)Vic Wrote:  Sarah putting two natural things together is not pagan. Putting dye on something is not pagan. God had Israel dye things. Look it up. If I dye cotton, which is not naturally anything but white, I am not entering into a pagan practice am I? If dye is added to a food, is it a pagan practice? If you boil an egg with onion skins and it turns color---is that a pagan practice?

Sacrificing.... of course not.
Worshipping something as an idol is showing reverance, time, love, affection to the object/thing. I would dare say the Easter Bunny becomes a pretty big focus for some during Easter. It's even given the supernatural power of being able to visit every home on the Eve on Easter. People are free to worship Christ in spirit and truth. Being compelled every year to paint eggs and portray stories of mythological creatures as reality... I don't know...Can we find deep spiritual meanings in these practices?

Well, I was thinking earlier before I read your reply, if you don't see any harm in these things, who am I to try to convince your otherwise.

Quote:I would dare say the Easter Bunny becomes a pretty big focus for some during Easter. It's even given the supernatural power of being able to visit every home on the Eve on Easter.

Quote:Worshipping something as an idol is showing reverance, time, love, affection to the object/thing.

Isn't that interesting? So now we have a chicken and egg(pun intended ) situation.
Could it be that christians borrowed some of the eggy customs from jews?
It may be or it may not..not everyone uses eggs in the same way and they do give a lot of leeway in what can be done with them.Its just natural that people are going to use them in part of their respective celebrations.

(04-22-2011 09:44 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  

Quote:Worshipping something as an idol is showing reverance, time, love, affection to the object/thing.

So when I give time to look after my son with immense love and affection am I worshipping him? Or when I spend a lot of time and care crocheting a beautiful garment and then admiring it I am worshipping it? Your definition of worship sounds a bit off.

There are many cultures that use eggs in their celebrationss and worship of God as Vic so well explained in some of her posts and its logical that one might use things that God created ie eggs and dyes to make things.
I am reminded of the custom amongst some sephardi to decorate eggs at Passover(and shabbat or for special occasions).The process is indistinguishable from the way some people decorate their easter eggs.If you don't believe me check out this link they look very pretty

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/10/04/eastern_europes_easter_eggs_jewish/38253/

There have also been customs of decorating eggs for Purim.I wil paste from the following link http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/241/Q3/
where a reader enquires about the origins of a custom of paining eggs on Lag B'omer and is worried it may be pagan.The reply went as follows



I asked your question to Rabbi Eliezar Demari of Jerusalem. (His parents came to Israel from Yemen in 1949.) Rabbi Demari said that in Yemen, the Jews painted eggs in honor of Purim. They sent these eggs to friends as mishloach manot gifts and ate them at the festive Purim meal.

The Jewish community in Yemen was isolated for centuries, and they can trace many of their customs back to the time of the First Temple, so it's clear that they didn't adopt this practice from any other culture.

Rabbi Demari also noted that it's conceivable that egg-painting was a custom among European Jews, and that they stopped doing so when it was adopted by other religions.

We see the same concept regarding a stone altar: Although Abraham, Isaac and Jacob made stone altars, the Torah later forbade making them because the pagans had begun making stone altars for idol worship. Thus, we see that a "kosher" custom gets spoiled when it becomes a pagan custom.

Isn't that interesting? So now we have a chicken and egg(pun intended ) situation.
Could it be that christians borrowed some of the eggy customs from jews?
It may be or it may not..not everyone uses eggs in the same way and they do give a lot of leeway in what can be done with them.Its just natural that people are going to use them in part of their respective celebrations.