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What's the True Name of God? - Vic - 12-30-2008 08:39 PM
Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah:
What is His Sacred Name or True Name?
During the last few years, we have heard all sorts of opinions about the Name of God, how it should be pronounced, and the importance of its use. We have heard many different names used by many different groups, most of whom believe that they have the correct pronunciation, or true name. Some have even stated that the spirit has revealed the true name to them. The above list of names in the title of this article, represents only a small sample of the plethora of names...so who is correct?
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sheep wrecked - 12-30-2008 08:54 PM
(12-30-2008 08:39 PM)Vic Wrote: Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah:
What is His Sacred Name or True Name?
During the last few years, we have heard all sorts of opinions about the Name of God, how it should be pronounced, and the importance of its use. We have heard many different names used by many different groups, most of whom believe that they have the correct pronunciation, or true name. Some have even stated that the spirit has revealed the true name to them. The above list of names in the title of this article, represents only a small sample of the plethora of names...so who is correct?
I do know, based on the way the YHWH is pointed in the Masoretic text, that the YHWH is not pronounced as "Yah". "Yah" is a suffix ending only - a "Yah" prefix is impossible in Hebrew. Any Hebrew scholar or Hebrew speaking Israeli will say the same thing. "Yah" can be used as a stand alone Name, which David used in Psalms.
It's interesting to note that all names in the OT that start with YH are always pronounced as "Yeh" or "Yo/Yoh" or the English [Jeh/Jo/Joh].
Does anyone know where "Yahweh" originated from?
RE: What's the True Name of God? - carl37 - 12-30-2008 10:09 PM
Great question. As already noted I have no idea. I am ashamed that I don't know that. Although I don't pray to them or believe in them, I know that Zeus is the greek god of war and that Jupiter is supposed to be the king of the gods. I also know that I am using an english translation of them. However when we google them we can find out their name and their origin. It dismays me that if you try too google The Almighty's name you come up with all the above mentioned names. To me it is sad and strange that we are reduced to using a generic label "God" to talk about him.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sheep wrecked - 12-30-2008 11:16 PM
(12-30-2008 10:09 PM)carl37 Wrote: Great question. As already noted I have no idea. I am ashamed that I don't know that. Although I don't pray to them or believe in them, I know that Zeus is the greek god of war and that Jupiter is supposed to be the king of the gods. I also know that I am using an english translation of them. However when we google them we can find out their name and their origin. It dismays me that if you try too google The Almighty's name you come up with all the above mentioned names. To me it is sad and strange that we are reduced to using a generic label "God" to talk about him.
I am curious - what do Zeus and Jupiter have to do with God's Name?
Secondly, the Hebrew Scriptures call God, "Elohiym", which means "god" in a generic as well. It is obvious from context which "God" one is referring to within English Scriptures and what is on the lips and hearts of His kids.
Every language was created by God, so every language has it's own words to address God. If it helps, we could just call Him Father, after all, that is what Jesus instructed us to call Him. And of course Father is a different word in every language - imagine that, God hears His kids no matter how they say "Father"
RE: What's the True Name of God? - carl37 - 12-30-2008 11:31 PM
In reference to:
I am curious - what do Zeus and Jupiter have to do with God's Name?
They have nothing to do with his name, I was making the statement that we can readily find information on their correct pronunciation and meaning and in general anything we want to know about them. However, I was dismayed that we can't easily find the pronunciation of our father in heaven even though Exodus 3:14 and 15 states:
Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exd 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sheep wrecked - 12-31-2008 12:28 AM
(12-30-2008 11:31 PM)carl37 Wrote: In reference to:
I am curious - what do Zeus and Jupiter have to do with God's Name?
They have nothing to do with his name, I was making the statement that we can readily find information on their correct pronunciation and meaning and in general anything we want to know about them. However, I was dismayed that we can't easily find the pronunciation of our father in heaven even though Exodus 3:14 and 15 states:
Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exd 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations.
ok - thanx, wasn't quite sure how you were fitting zeus in there. Many in HR say that Jesus' Name comes from Zeus
The reason we do not know God's Name is because He is Holy, Infinite, Almighty, and He said we would not know His Name [pronunciation] until the age to come. We know God's Name [His reputation, character, authority which is the definition of The Name or Ha Shem in Hebrew] when we know Him. Why would God want His True Holy Name spoken on the lips of unclean people?
Rev 3:12 Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write on him my new name.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - strefanash - 12-31-2008 01:33 AM
(12-30-2008 10:09 PM)carl37 Wrote: Great question. As already noted I have no idea. I am ashamed that I don't know that. Although I don't pray to them or believe in them, I know that Zeus is the greek god of war and that Jupiter is supposed to be the king of the gods.
Well actually Zeus is the King of the Greek Gods and Jupiter King of the
roman Gods, so they may be seen as essentially the same thing, more or less In the Greek the letter Z was pronounced ZD hence ZDEUS. We see the Z drop and we get DEUS the latin word for God (Divus, as the title of the Emperorrs meant demigod.
THe Greek God of war was Ares (well one of them, Athena was also involved in war)
pagans were very good at taking an aspect of a deity and making a separate god out of it, hence polytheism is the degenerate devolved form of monotheism not the evolutionary basis for it as modern scholars like to claim
the following is a little wimsy. I recall the full latin form of Jupiter is
IOVI PATER - its old english equivalent is Jove.
I wouldnt be surprised if the name came from a garbled hebrew source after all IOVI pater sounds like YHWH Pater
I'm not saying the name Jesus came from the pagans, im suggesting the reverse. Not that this means they worshipped Him in spirit or truth, after all the Hebrew Ba'al meant LORD but they did not worship the ONE Lord when they chased after Ba'al (which we pronounce here in NZ as Bahl rhyming with Dahl, not bail
), but that they took the true name, or a true aspect and made an idol of it.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sheep wrecked - 12-31-2008 12:32 PM
(12-31-2008 01:33 AM)strefanash Wrote:(12-30-2008 10:09 PM)carl37 Wrote: Great question. As already noted I have no idea. I am ashamed that I don't know that. Although I don't pray to them or believe in them, I know that Zeus is the greek god of war and that Jupiter is supposed to be the king of the gods.
Well actually Zeus is the King of the Greek Gods and Jupiter King of the
roman Gods, so they may be seen as essentially the same thing, more or less In the Greek the letter Z was pronounced ZD hence ZDEUS. We see the Z drop and we get DEUS the latin word for God (Divus, as the title of the Emperorrs meant demigod.
THe Greek God of war was Ares (well one of them, Athena was also involved in war)
pagans were very good at taking an aspect of a deity and making a separate god out of it, hence polytheism is the degenerate devolved form of monotheism not the evolutionary basis for it as modern scholars like to claim
the following is a little wimsy. I recall the full latin form of Jupiter is
IOVI PATER - its old english equivalent is Jove.
I wouldnt be surprised if the name came from a garbled hebrew source after all IOVI pater sounds like YHWH Pater
I'm not saying the name Jesus came from the pagans, im suggesting the reverse. Not that this means they worshipped Him in spirit or truth, after all the Hebrew Ba'al meant LORD but they did not worship the ONE Lord when they chased after Ba'al (which we pronounce here in NZ as Bahl rhyming with Dahl, not bail
Actually, you are quite close. Samaritans may have substituted the title yaphe/yafe (yaw-feh' ~H3303), which means beautiful. This may be where some of the early Greek writers first encountered the name IABE, which is where the scholarly re-construction of Yahweh originated. In other words,Yahweh is retroverted from the Greek into Hebrew. Interesting twist, for all our Hebrew Roots fans who say that God's true Name, Yahweh, cannot be Greek :shocked:
It's also interesting that God calls Himself ba'al in Isaiah 54, so obviously, it matters not to God that His name is considered "pagan" by us
Isa 54:5 For your Maker is your husband [H1166 - ba'al] the LORD of hosts is his name; and your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
ps: yeah, Hebrew Roots calls ba'al, bahl too, not bail - it makes them feel more correct to say it with a Hebrew inflection ;) Although they should prolly refrain from using it altogether as Torah commands that the name of idols not be on their lips and I am sure we can apply that to writing as well
RE: What's the True Name of God? - strefanash - 12-31-2008 02:04 PM
Vic made the point on the site itself that though her earthly father was named such and such she would never call him this. Never. just as my dad is Bill but i have NEVER called him this.
I once horribly embarassed myself by vocalizing the terrible name (the one of the 4 letters) at a jewish friends house in context of my need to talk about the faith all the time. Now he is a rank unbeliever but even so he was most offended. So i have, maybe for wrong reasons, backtracked from advocating an over enthusiastic use of the Terrible name. Even if it was freely used in OT times, (so genesis often writes people as saying "as YHWH lives" etc) with the jewish fear of even uttering it for fear of abusing it being a later legalistic response, yet i cannot really in my heart dare use it myself
So the question may not be what is His name, but what are we to call him?
I suggest something like SIR (well, Lord, etc is a synonyms for sir in its old meaning of sire, the english form of sieur, which in fact was lord in the first place).
I actually feel safer calling him TERRIBILUS PATER, which is my latest version of SANCTUS AND TERRIBILUS (Holy and Terrible) or H&T for short. (I use latin only because to me it connotes majesty and power, or perhaps because i have catholic tendencies - well I do!!
)Of course we can call him daddy, that is what abba means and the spirit of adoption whereby we can call him this has been given to us.
But i am too fearful of the dread lord and puissant sovereign (old forms of address to the Kings of England) to get there yet
I might also suggest that who we in fact worship is shown by what we do, by our fruit. (not to advocate force, for it is our careless and spontaneous words and acts that relveal this, so forced effort is only trying to hide this not change it)
Thus we can call Him all sorts of things, if we are carnal and the rest i is not Him we worship even if the name is the same - unless and only unless He has started a personal relationship with us and one on one led us to repent of this kind of thing, whereby bad fruit and genuine worship can co exist for some time while the first diminish and the second increase.
perhaps that, bad fruit showing bad faith, is where Ba'al worship came from at least in part. it also says somewhere in the prophets that "while you were in the desert (the 40 year wandering) it was not to Me that you prayed and sacrificed". I interpret this as being another example of what i described above.
And Isaiah 1 makes it clear that if our fruit is bad much if not all of our prayer is empty noise, even if the words are right.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - carl37 - 12-31-2008 08:47 PM
Are we still considered unclean if we believe in the Messiah? When will we become unclean?
(12-31-2008 12:28 AM)sheep wrecked Wrote:(12-30-2008 11:31 PM)carl37 Wrote: In reference to:
I am curious - what do Zeus and Jupiter have to do with God's Name?
They have nothing to do with his name, I was making the statement that we can readily find information on their correct pronunciation and meaning and in general anything we want to know about them. However, I was dismayed that we can't easily find the pronunciation of our father in heaven even though Exodus 3:14 and 15 states:
Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exd 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations.
ok - thanx, wasn't quite sure how you were fitting zeus in there. Many in HR say that Jesus' Name comes from Zeus
The reason we do not know God's Name is because He is Holy, Infinite, Almighty, and He said we would not know His Name [pronunciation] until the age to come. We know God's Name [His reputation, character, authority which is the definition of The Name or Ha Shem in Hebrew] when we know Him. Why would God want His True Holy Name spoken on the lips of unclean people?
Rev 3:12 Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write on him my new name.