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RE: What's the True Name of God? - sari83 - 04-11-2011 01:30 PM
God is, in a sense, unnameable. He has no beginning or end. He is eternal. Throughout time He has revealed to mankind in many ways His nature and has shown us His unique characteristics as the loving, merciful, redeemer. To truly know Him means to have an intimate relationship with Him. That is to trust and love God with our hearts. He desires for us to know Him on this personal level. No amount of knowledge is going to bring us to the one on one level we need to be with Him.
However, if a person already has this kind of relationship with Him and for the sake of knowing, desires to research the name the Creator, and discover the interesting name He gave to mankind to call Him by, and the one which was recorded in the Scriptures. It is possible to get a pretty good idea of how the name may actually be pronounced.
I began my studies simply by using a Strong's concordance and examining how many of the theophoric names in the Scripture are pronounced. I think that is a good place to start.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Mary - 04-12-2011 01:51 AM
(04-11-2011 01:30 PM)sari83 Wrote: God is, in a sense, unnameable. He has no beginning or end. He is eternal. Throughout time He has revealed to mankind in many ways His nature and has shown us His unique characteristics as the loving, merciful, redeemer. To truly know Him means to have an intimate relationship with Him. That is to trust and love God with our hearts. He desires for us to know Him on this personal level. No amount of knowledge is going to bring us to the one on one level we need to be with Him.
However, if a person already has this kind of relationship with Him and for the sake of knowing, desires to research the name the Creator, and discover the interesting name He gave to mankind to call Him by, and the one which was recorded in the Scriptures. It is possible to get a pretty good idea of how the name may actually be pronounced.
I began my studies simply by using a Strong's concordance and examining how many of the theophoric names in the Scripture are pronounced. I think that is a good place to start.
aah the lure of the esoteric and the strange attraction of conditional love....
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Vic - 04-12-2011 10:26 AM
Hi Sarah, It would be great to know you read the factual information in this thread rather than just going by your own suppositions, and your involvement with HR, where you used Yahuah, Yahuashua which are totally and completly inccorrect in the Hebrew. Sourcing Strong's isn't teaching you Hebrew or translation or transliteration. You might also wish to read this thread > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=3
Sarah, God said that >
Exo 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
the Lord > H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136
Part of Speech: noun proper deity
God Almighty: El shadday, God Almighty;
Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
When God Almighty said to Moses I AM WHO I AM (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), He was describing who He was, is, and will be. He is the Eternal, without beginning or end."
And we know God does want a relationship with man--which started in the garden of Eden. But the name at which He has allowed Christians to know Him in a personal relationship is through Jesus Christ. We have access to the Father, which is what Jesus said to call Him, And it is at the name of Jesus, the Son of God--His name in English, in amongst all the other names and attributes that say who He is, that every knee will bow.
Psa 72:11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
Psa 72:12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
Psa 72:13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
Psa 72:14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Th 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.[/b]
As discussion in this thread and related articles reveal, the beginning of Hebrew names does not start with yah. And unless you understand that basic concept, your choice of names is made up wishful thinking and part of the error of those you have learned those things from. PLease consider reading the Hebrew Roots Faqs on this issue > http://www.seekgod.ca/topichr.htm#faq4
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sari83 - 04-12-2011 10:44 AM
(04-12-2011 01:51 AM)Mary Wrote: aah the lure of the esoteric and the strange attraction of conditional love....
I thank you for your perspective, Mary. I'm not sure why the name of God would be considered esoteric knowledge. His name used to be highly revered. Many of the people in ancient days actually gave their children names that had special meanings centered around God's name. Which is why a person can read hundreds if not more biblical names that contain a partial pronounciation of God's name, better known as theophoric names. Even today, we have common English names that are transliterated versions of theophoric names. Which leads me to conclude that many Christians felt the significance in continuing the tradition.
Here are some examples from Strong's Concordance:
Yeshayahuw(Isaiah) - Jah has saved.
Yirmeyahuw (Jeremiah) - Jah will rise.
Zekaryahuw (Zechariah) - Jah has remembered.
Eliyahuw (Elijah) -God of Jehovah.
Mattithyahu (Matthew)-Gift of God.
Yehowshuwa (Joshua)-Jehovah saved.
Yehownathan (Jonathan)-Jehovah given.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Rose of Shushan - 04-12-2011 05:47 PM
Quote:However, if a person already has this kind of relationship with Him and for the sake of knowing, desires to research the name the Creator, and discover the interesting name He gave to mankind to call Him by, and the one which was recorded in the Scriptures. It is possible to get a pretty good idea of how the name may actually be pronounced.
I began my studies simply by using a Strong's concordance and examining how many of the theophoric names in the Scripture are pronounced. I think that is a good place to start.
Its a bit of a contradiction that you say the "one that was recorded on the Scriptures and then in the next sentence admit there that we don't know since you say it may be possible to get "an idea" .
I prefer to call God Father just like Jesus did.
We will never know,this side of eternity, how YHVH was pronounced although you may theorise about the possibilities until the cows come home.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sari83 - 04-13-2011 10:04 AM
(04-12-2011 05:47 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote: Its a bit of a contradiction that you say the "one that was recorded on the Scriptures and then in the next sentence admit there that we don't know since you say it may be possible to get "an idea" .
I prefer to call God Father just like Jesus did.
We will never know,this side of eternity, how YHVH was pronounced although you may theorise about the possibilities until the cows come home.
I was saying that a person can get a good idea of the pronounciation of the Tetragrammaton using a Strong's Concordance because it explains how some of the biblical names that contain God's name are spoken.
Yes, the name is recorded in the Scriptures. Many bibles inaccurately transliterate the name as Jehovah or Yahweh, but that doesn't stop people from using those names.
I also call him Father.
Quote Vic--
It would be great to know you read the factual information in this thread rather than just going by your own suppositions....
Please consider reading the Hebrew Roots Faqs on this issue ....
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Yes ma'am, I've read all your articles on the name and the previous posts on this tread as well.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Vic - 04-13-2011 06:57 PM
(04-13-2011 10:04 AM)sari83 Wrote:(04-12-2011 05:47 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote: Its a bit of a contradiction that you say the "one that was recorded on the Scriptures and then in the next sentence admit there that we don't know since you say it may be possible to get "an idea" .
I prefer to call God Father just like Jesus did.
We will never know,this side of eternity, how YHVH was pronounced although you may theorise about the possibilities until the cows come home.
I was saying that a person can get a good idea of the pronounciation of the Tetragrammaton using a Strong's Concordance because it explains how some of the biblical names that contain God's name are spoken.
Yes, the name is recorded in the Scriptures. Many bibles inaccurately transliterate the name as Jehovah or Yahweh, but that doesn't stop people from using those names.
I also call him Father.
Quote Vic--
It would be great to know you read the factual information in this thread rather than just going by your own suppositions....
Please consider reading the Hebrew Roots Faqs on this issue ....
End quote--
Yes ma'am, I've read all your articles on the name and the previous posts on this tread as well.
Sarah, The tetragrammaton is discussed in various articles and I will quote from this one > http://www.seekgod.ca/names.htm
Quote:Part 9 of the series, To Embrace Hebrew Roots, discussed the Tetragrammaton and it's significance not only in Jewish beliefs but also Kabbalism and Freemasonry. Because Hebrew had no vowels, God's Name was written as YHVH, and was called the Tetragrammaton in Greek. The kabbalists taught that this name was too sacred to be spoken, thereby depriving the Jews of the name of the LORD. Many believe that the Tetragrammaton is actually composed of 42 letters, while others claim it is 72 or other numbers. Quoting from Part 9,
"...The Tetragrammaton or Schem Hamphorasch refers to what Kabbalists and many Orthodox Jews call the Ineffable Name. The four-lettered name of God, in Hebrew is, "yod, he, vau, he", or in English capitals YHVH, although some occult sources say it's IHVH. Others also state that the YHVH is "yood, hey, vood, hey."
According to various writings, the true ancient pronunciation is now unknown since it has been believed that the Name was too sacred to be written or pronounced by the profane. In reading the sacred writings, the term 'Adonai' was substituted for that reason. That teaching is also why Hebrew Roots and Messianic adherents write God as "G-d. "
In her Theosophical Glossary, Madame Blavatsky provided the esoteric meaning of IHVH, according to the Sephirot of the Kabbalah and part of the "Secret Doctrine. 9
You say you want to basically call Almighty God by His name. Let me ask you, would you address a king or queen of a country by their first name? Would you call your father or grandfather by their name? Isn't it customary to use a title to address such, to show due honor--even according to the Scriptures?
1Ti 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Adonai, in the Hebrew, Lord God, etc are all ways of addressing this issue, and showing respect for Him. In the Greek of the NT, God comes from the word theos, and Lord from kurios---both are used as titles out of respect...
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κύριος
kurios
Thayer Definition:
1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
1a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1a1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
1b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
1c) this title is given to: God, the Messiah
It also according to the Scriptures that Jesus, when He taught the disciples to pray that He said, Our FATHER....
Now let me ask you, if addressing God in a way other than Father [and what we see as the myriad of titles of attributes throughout Scripture, and what was done in that instance; and Jesus referred to Him as Father in other passages; why do suppose Jesus did not say to pray starting with, Our Jehovah, or Our YHWH,[surely Jesus knew how to pronounce it] or Our Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh or Our I AM WHO I AM or pray saying Our I AM? Wouldn't that be Scriptural, according to what we know about the Name God Himself has given record of in the Scriptures?
Why did Jesus instead teach the disciples to pray saying, Our Father? Could it be perhaps to convey the relationship we have as believers in Jesus, becoming as Jesus described in
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he .....
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Mary - 04-13-2011 08:43 PM
(04-12-2011 10:44 AM)sari83 Wrote:(04-12-2011 01:51 AM)Mary Wrote: aah the lure of the esoteric and the strange attraction of conditional love....
I thank you for your perspective, Mary. I'm not sure why the name of God would be considered esoteric knowledge. His name used to be highly revered. Many of the people in ancient days actually gave their children names that had special meanings centered around God's name. Which is why a person can read hundreds if not more biblical names that contain a partial pronounciation of God's name, better known as theophoric names. Even today, we have common English names that are transliterated versions of theophoric names. Which leads me to conclude that many Christians felt the significance in continuing the tradition.
Here are some examples from Strong's Concordance:
Yeshayahuw(Isaiah) - Jah has saved.
Yirmeyahuw (Jeremiah) - Jah will rise.
Zekaryahuw (Zechariah) - Jah has remembered.
Eliyahuw (Elijah) -God of Jehovah.
Mattithyahu (Matthew)-Gift of God.
Yehowshuwa (Joshua)-Jehovah saved.
Yehownathan (Jonathan)-Jehovah given.
This whole thread centres around how this is "esoteric" knowledge Sari. The words you use in your post reveal that you think so too eg. "discover".
I'm sorry, but I am often confused by your posts, because you say one thing, and then, in the next sentence contradict yourself. (As pointed out by Rose). As Vic shows, and as a Bible reader, you know, we just need to read the Bible to know what to call God.
Your post alerted my "trouble" antenna because it suggested the following:
- searching out His "name' and how to say it is a sign of a deep, meaningful and true relationship with Him.
- if we have such a relationship, we will want/desire to do this searching.
- we will achieve a greater relationship with Him if we search out His name
- it's "impossible" to really know Him, but "doing" this searching of His name will bring us closer to Him.
What really scares me about your post is the short trip to witchcraft. This may sound extreme, and many will think I'm OTT, but what is at the bottom line of witchcraft but invoking a special word or name?
I knew a wonderful young man, who loved Jesus with all his heart, mind and soul. He was intellectually disabled and speech impaired. He could not read, nor pronounce Jesus' name. To say "Father" was to produce only the long vowel sound or a grunt.... you know your Bible Sari, so you know where I'm going with this.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - Vic - 04-14-2011 09:54 AM
(04-12-2011 10:44 AM)sari83 Wrote:(04-12-2011 01:51 AM)Mary Wrote: aah the lure of the esoteric and the strange attraction of conditional love....
I thank you for your perspective, Mary. I'm not sure why the name of God would be considered esoteric knowledge. His name used to be highly revered. Many of the people in ancient days actually gave their children names that had special meanings centered around God's name. Which is why a person can read hundreds if not more biblical names that contain a partial pronounciation of God's name, better known as theophoric names. Even today, we have common English names that are transliterated versions of theophoric names. Which leads me to conclude that many Christians felt the significance in continuing the tradition.
Here are some examples from Strong's Concordance:
Yeshayahuw(Isaiah) - Jah has saved.
Yirmeyahuw (Jeremiah) - Jah will rise.
Zekaryahuw (Zechariah) - Jah has remembered.
Eliyahuw (Elijah) -God of Jehovah.
Mattithyahu (Matthew)-Gift of God.
Yehowshuwa (Joshua)-Jehovah saved.
Yehownathan (Jonathan)-Jehovah given.
Sarah, If you will notice not one of those names you have presented, begins with YAH, as you have previously suggested was the way names start. As has been stated in the factual and scriptural information presented here and other threads and articles, that prefix is not found in the Scriptures for names in the Hebrew, and those who promote the yah as the prefix in the myriad of made up names for God or Jesus are in serious error.
RE: What's the True Name of God? - sari83 - 04-14-2011 11:03 PM
Sari83:
God is, in a sense, unnameable. He has no beginning or end. He is eternal. Throughout time He has revealed to mankind in many ways His nature and has shown us His unique characteristics as the loving, merciful, redeemer. To truly know Him means to have an intimate relationship with Him. That is to trust and love God with our hearts. He desires for us to know Him on this personal level. No amount of knowledge is going to bring us to the one on one level we need to be with Him. However, if a person already has this kind of relationship with Him and for the sake of knowing, desires to research the name the Creator, and discover the interesting name He gave to mankind to call Him by, and the one which was recorded in the Scriptures. It is possible to get a pretty good idea of how the name may actually be pronounced.
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Quote Mary-
In searching out His "name' and how to say it is a sign of a deep, meaningful and true relationship with Him.
- if we have such a relationship, we will want/desire to do this searching.
- we will achieve a greater relationship with Him if we search out His name
- it's "impossible" to really know Him, but "doing" this searching of His name will bring us closer to Him.
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Sari83:
I've re-posted what I said previously to show how you've blatantly misrepresented every word. Nowhere in the above paragraph did I say that a person will attain a closer relationship to God by knowing His name, that it's impossible to really know Him without it, a person will achieve a greater relationship, etc, etc. I don't think any of those things which you claimed I said, and I know that I would not have made any statements containing them.