Are tongues a sign of the Holy Spirit?

[ceebee]

I went to a Pentecostal church a few weeks ago in my search of christian fellowship. It was a nice service with bible scriptures used by the pastor in his sermon. Lovely, moving songs praising God and some flag waving that I had never seen before. I was welcomed warmly by a lot of very nice people. One or two people near me started babbling during the pastors prayers at the end and I felt a little embarassed.
I am looking for a church to join and I would be grateful for some advice. Thanks
Also I noted your reply to Peaches about the links, I have started reading some great articles and will now go to the manifestation link. Thankyou
ceebee

[Vic]

(02-06-2009 07:52 AM)ceebee Wrote:  I went to a Pentecostal church a few weeks ago in my search of christian fellowship. It was a nice service with bible scriptures used by the pastor in his sermon. Lovely, moving songs praising God and some flag waving that I had never seen before. I was welcomed warmly by a lot of very nice people. One or two people near me started babbling during the pastors prayers at the end and I felt a little embarassed.
I am looking for a church to join and I would be grateful for some advice. Thanks
Also I noted your reply to Peaches about the links, I have started reading some great articles and will now go to the manifestation link. Thankyou
ceebee

Hi Ceebee,

Years ago, before I researched tongues and even had a website, I had a lady who used to drop in and talk, and one day she wanted to pray with me. That was the first time I heard tongues up close , and not only did it make me uncomfortable, all I could think of was, 'what are saying? how do you know you aren't cursing God? How do I know you haven't just cursed God?'

Consequently, I didn't actually pray with her, but just kind of looked at her in disbelief and was totally unsettled in my spirit. At that time I didn't have the knowledge to question her, but, I made a point of not being in that position again.

Since then, and doing the research, I do not believe what is practiced is Biblical whatsoever. That goes for those in pentecostal, charismatic, pentecostal baptist or whatever. As discussed above, tongues had a specific purpose for sharing Christ to unbelievers.

As far as looking for a church, as I said in one of the other posts-seek God first and study, and allow Him to teach you. I know it can be hard to think of going it alone for awhile without the regimented church service, but without Biblical discernment, you can easily be caught up in things that may sound good, but will not stand the test of Scripture. Finding a church that is scripturally sound and whose teachings always point to Christ, may take some time. But God is faithful, and He will not let you down. There is spiritual unity to those who love our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:4-10 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5. That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6. Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7. So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8. Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10. Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 1:29-31 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

[chelsea]

you have mentioned in one of your articles: " Psalm 81:5 Joseph who was familiar with the egyptian language heard a language that he could not understand. " where I heard a language that I understood not" "There shall no strange god be in thee, neither shall thou worship any strange god". The reference shows worship of a strange god resulted in manifestation of the god inside the person, or in other words, the person is possessed by that spirit."
I want to find that passage "there shall no strange god be in thee..." but I cannot find in the Bible. where is it?? ANd I can't really see a conexion with speaking in tongues being from the devil. Although I think it is , I need biblical proof that is a devil in the person's body or mind or maybe is the person just copying others, which is still carnal, but doesn't mean the one is unsaved or possessed.

[Vic]

(05-15-2009 06:54 PM)chelsea Wrote:  you have mentioned in one of your articles: " Psalm 81:5 Joseph who was familiar with the egyptian language heard a language that he could not understand. " where I heard a language that I understood not" "There shall no strange god be in thee, neither shall thou worship any strange god". The reference shows worship of a strange god resulted in manifestation of the god inside the person, or in other words, the person is possessed by that spirit."
I want to find that passage "there shall no strange god be in thee..." but I cannot find in the Bible. where is it?? ANd I can't really see a conexion with speaking in tongues being from the devil. Although I think it is , I need biblical proof that is a devil in the person's body or mind or maybe is the person just copying others, which is still carnal, but doesn't mean the one is unsaved or possessed.

Go to this thread http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=290

And if you look in the KJV ...Psalm 81

[sheep wrecked]

(05-15-2009 06:54 PM)chelsea Wrote:  you have mentioned in one of your articles: " Psalm 81:5 Joseph who was familiar with the egyptian language heard a language that he could not understand. " where I heard a language that I understood not" "There shall no strange god be in thee, neither shall thou worship any strange god". The reference shows worship of a strange god resulted in manifestation of the god inside the person, or in other words, the person is possessed by that spirit."
I want to find that passage "there shall no strange god be in thee..." but I cannot find in the Bible. where is it?? ANd I can't really see a conexion with speaking in tongues being from the devil. Although I think it is , I need biblical proof that is a devil in the person's body or mind or maybe is the person just copying others, which is still carnal, but doesn't mean the one is unsaved or possessed.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

If one looks at where the tongues of today came from, it is clear that it was from the anti-christ spirit. If you read the link I posted, you can easily see how tongues was spread in this country through men who denied Jesus Christ - by their theology, practice, and lifestyle. It is a spiritual disease that permeates much of Christianity.

I do not believe that because a person speaks in tongues it means they are possessed by demons. It means they have been influenced by false teachings and it affects them spiritually. Jesus can and will deliver those under this kind of oppression. It was a question that I asked myself at one time. It was pointed out to me that shortly after Peter declared that Jesus was the Messiah [he was "saved" at that point] that satan spoke through Peter. Peter was not possessed by satan, satan was allowed to speak through him.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show to his disciples, how that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from you, Lord: this shall not be to you.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said to Peter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offense to me: for you mind not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Many people who speak in tongues love the Lord, but I believe He gives people the opportunity to hear the truth. If they reject it, then they are in danger of falling away. Only God knows the intent of the heart and His judgments are perfect, righteous, holy, and pure as to where that person is in regard to relationship with Him. I know that when I was in the faith movement, in spite of all the garbage doctrines that I believed and practiced, I loved the Lord with all my heart and believed that Jesus is God, my Savior and my Redeemer. In His grace and mercy, He rescued me from this false movement and cleansed me by the renewing of the washing of the water of the Word through His Holy Spirit.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This text proved to me that the tongues of today are not of God:

Mat 6:7 But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[Strefanash]

I do not dispute that much tongue speaking today is carnal nonsense, infatuation with the supernatural leading to counterfeit.

But to claim that ALL tongues today MUST be counterfeit one must claim that the gifts of the
spirit , of which speaking in tongues is listed as one, have to have ceased.

Paul said that he who prays in a tongue edifies himself. (I cor 14:4) IOW it was not a known human language. He also gave rules as to how tongues were to be used in congregational worship: ONE at a time then a translation. If they were known human languages no translation would be needed as the Russian speaker (for example) who hears flawless russian from someone who knew not a word of Russian, therefore the tongue other than a known human language was something only supernatural and needed translation. The first Pentecost ws an example of one type of tongue, the tongue of 14:4 is clearly another type.

I Corinthians 14 is where these are to be found. "I would you all spoke in tongues but rather that you all prophesied" 14:5

The Book of Acts is full of people speaking in tongues when they were converted. I am not about to deny the conversion of those who did not or do not speak in tongues then or since, but to insist that ALL tongues now must only be counterfeit is to assume something scripture gives no warrant for.

If Paul's desire that all spoke in tongues to their self edification was goodly and good why do we declare it irrelevant now? On what warrant? After all we do not say that his prohibition of women office holders was only a situational thing now to be done away with. So why tongues?

It will not do IMO to appeal to I Cor 13:10 "when that which is perfect is come the partial will be doine away with" Though the word of God is perfect yet we still see through a glass dimly. 13:12 make it clear that the knowing as we are known, full and exhaustive knowlege, wil come only after the second coming and the glorification, therefore the perfect, whereby we will no longer see through a glass dimly, has NOT come. Therefore tongues are still for today.

As is prophecy by which i mean not exposition of new doctrine, but direct exhortation, forthtelling not foretelling, by the Holy Spirit in the first person. (but WOE to false prophets!!)

We are grossly mistaken to reject tongues because of the childish abuse to which pentecostals put them. This is a reaction, not a reasoned response. Having been devastated by pentecistal madness (my church was a baptist pentecostal church) I may have more reason to reject the whole thing than any of you. But it is not valid to do so.

However I would say woe to the pentecostals who have taken so flippantly the gifts of the spirt, including tongues as to produce counterfeits by fleshly effort or misuse then (Paul forbade mass tongiue praying as somewthing that would persuade non christians seeing it that we were all mad) so as to discredit these gifts.

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Vic

Years ago, before I researched tongues and even had a website, I had a lady who used to drop in and talk, and one day she wanted to pray with me. That was the first time I heard tongues up close , and not only did it make me uncomfortable, all I could think of was, 'what are saying? how do you know you aren't cursing God? How do I know you haven't just cursed God?'

Stref: I am sorry, but you have missed the classical biblical answer. FAITH. IF she is open to God and cursed Him she wil be lead to conviction of sin.

I submit that her praying in tongues in front of you with an interpretation was bad manners and a violation of what St Paul said, but your fear here speaks of the kind of fear i am well familiar with: namely lack of faith

[sheep wrecked]

(05-16-2009 04:51 PM)Strefanash Wrote:  I do not dispute that much tongue speaking today is carnal nonsense, infatuation with the supernatural leading to counterfeit.

But to claim that ALL tongues today MUST be counterfeit one must claim that the gifts of the
spirit , of which speaking in tongues is listed as one, have to have ceased.

Paul said that he who prays in a tongue edifies himself. (I cor 14:4) IOW it was not a known human language.

All tongues today are counterfeit. We have no authority to discern what tongue is of God and which is not. There are no apostles to judge. ALL giftings were under their authority as given by Christ; therefore, the giftings that are manifested today are false.

Tongues is all babbling - as it was sown, spread, transferred from one person to the next under a false system/another Gospel aka an evil tree.

If one looks into this tradition, it was not in evidence for 1800 years until the 1800s which was incepted through a heretical source. There is no evidence of tongues today that cannot be traced back under this umbrella.

That Paul was stating tongues edified oneself was a criticism, not an instruction. Edifying oneself was not the purpose of tongues, but to edify the congregation. We can find no text in the NT that states we are edify ourselves. We are to edify others.

Tongues was never stated in the NT to be an unknown language. It was always stated as a known language - not always to the speaker, but it was to the hearers. The word "tongues" means an actual language spoken somewhere on planet earth.

Quote:The Book of Acts is full of people speaking in tongues when they were converted. I am not about to deny the conversion of those who did not or do not speak in tongues then or since, but to insist that ALL tongues now must only be counterfeit is to assume something scripture gives no warrant for.

Acts actually only give three examples of tongues. In each instance the hearers understood what was being said. The tongues was not unknown.

The Scripture shows that tongues ceased, by lack of evidence. No mention is made of tongues outside of the book of Acts and 1 Cor 13 & 14. That's not much evidence to build a doctrine upon. I Cor 14 is a corrective chapter, not a confirming one.

Quote:It will not do IMO to appeal to I Cor 13:10 "when that which is perfect is come the partial will be doine away with" Though the word of God is perfect yet we still see through a glass dimly. 13:12 make it clear that the knowing as we are known, full and exhaustive knowlege, wil come only after the second coming and the glorification, therefore the perfect, whereby we will no longer see through a glass dimly, has NOT come. Therefore tongues are still for today.

Actually, Paul stated that tongues would cease and prophecy would fail:

1Co 13:8 Charity never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

The Word of the Lord is forever. With the completion of the NT the Bible was settled, finished, not added to. The perfect had come. The Word of God will never fail, cannot be improved upon, is the perfect mind of God. There is no reason for tongues, no reason for prophecy. God's Word is pure, true, and completely "self contained". To look to a system that cannot be proven to be of God, to learn of God, is to put one in self destruct mode. I should know, I was there once.

Quote:I submit that her praying in tongues in front of you with an interpretation was bad manners and a violation of what St Paul said, but your fear here speaks of the kind of fear i am well familiar with: namely lack of faith

I don't believe that discernment is "fear". It's understanding good from evil, which is how one discerns when one has spent a lot of time studying the Word of God. I know that Vic excels in her knowledge of the Bible so she is well aware of the heresy of tongues today.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

[YYZ Skinhead]

I went to a Pentecostal church on the invitation of some very kind, obviously God-fearing people and I've had them come to my door and pray for me, but when they spoke in tongues it sounded A LOT like they were speaking Hindu. I got so scared I ran out of the church and almost into a crowded Los Angeles street at night. These poor people can't possibly know that speaking in tongues is occultic and can open demonic doorways into their lives.

[Deborah446]

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

<< Mark 16 >>

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

<< Acts 2 >>

<< 1 Corinthians 12 >>
King James Version
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14For the body is not one member, but many. 15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

<< 1 Corinthians 13 >>
King James Version
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

[Deborah446]

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Actually, Paul stated that tongues would cease and prophecy would fail:

1Co 13:8 Charity never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

The Word of the Lord is forever. With the completion of the NT the Bible was settled, finished, not added to. The perfect had come. The Word of God will never fail, cannot be improved upon, is the perfect mind of God. There is no reason for tongues, no reason for prophecy. God's Word is pure, true, and completely "self contained". To look to a system that cannot be proven to be of God, to learn of God, is to put one in self destruct mode. I should know, I was there once.
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When Jesus Comes will he find faith on earth? Shows a bleak outlook on the position of faith on earth Jesus had seen for his return. Faith the size of a mustard seed can move a mountain!!! And these signs shall follow.... Jesus gave disciples instruction to walk in his love and power and he did not mention over and over again about only these people and a few others soon after I go will be able to walk in power.

He came and told us to be perfect over and over and over again. He did not say I came perfect so that which is perfect is come and recorded in the bible so I will not have you in this power and these powers will not be given to other God seeking/loving people for but only a few soon after I go. Before he left he said these signs shall follow them that believe - In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Do not let the fact that Jesus will not be talking to us much and the misrepresentation of Pentecostal churches exclude a possibly of faith at this level.

Charity is above all - our Love for God and people is much much much more important than these spiritual gifts. Without Love for God these spiritual gifts may easily become demonic or simply may fail or cease. Beware of getting puffed up in the spiritual gifts and loosing your first love.