Avi ben Mordechai of Millennium 7000

[hueman]

I would just like to say that I have learned so much from the posts on this forum. I read a bit about this fellow Avi ben Mordechai in the main page about Hebrew Roots. It would seem to me that this guy is just as much of a hack as Micheal Rood. I find it rather mind boggeling how very inteligent people are so miss lead buy some of these fast talking people. I took some of the info I read about micheal rood to a bible study and a few people went right off side and got really mad. The funny thing was they agreed with what I said, that the guy is a false Prophet.

I would like to learn more about this other fellow Avi ben Mordechai, as there are some meeting being held about his teaching on the real truth about Galatians.

Hueman

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(03-12-2009 04:32 AM)hueman Wrote:  I would just like to say that I have learned so much from the posts on this forum. I read a bit about this fellow Avi ben Mordechai in the main page about Hebrew Roots. It would seem to me that this guy is just as much of a hack as Micheal Rood. I find it rather mind boggeling how very inteligent people are so miss lead buy some of these fast talking people. I took some of the info I read about micheal rood to a bible study and a few people went right off side and got really mad. The funny thing was they agreed with what I said, that the guy is a false Prophet.

I would like to learn more about this other fellow Avi ben Mordechai, as there are some meeting being held about his teaching on the real truth about Galatians.

Hueman

Yep - you said it - they are both whack jobs

I don't understand why people would have anything good to say about Michael based on the false prophecy alone, but it goes back to the old unBiblical notion that one can sift through garbage to find truth. Or as people say: chew the meat and spit out the bones. That is not Scriptural either. Rood completely twists and reinvents the Word of God. He knows NO Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. He nothing more than a wanna be of "revelatory" truth coming up with the most ridiculous stuff. It's crazy that people actually think he is such a great teacher. Not to mention his lies, his scamming, stealing, and scathing words against Christianity and people who disagree with him. His behavior is atrocious as well

Avi is not much better - just comes under the umbrella of a "kinder, gentler" agenda. He is a kabbalistic [his book Messiah 3 is claimed to be "Messianic" kabbalah - there is NO such thing - it's all occultic] and a Talmudist. He has re-written Galatians - his claim to fame, as they say. I have a copy of it. It is simply a reworked edition promoting Torah observance. Whenever Paul mentions something "anti-law" he changes it to mean the "oral law" that he was against. blah. It's a real load of trash

caveat emptor

[Vic]

Hi Hueman,

So glad you are finding the posts and articles of interest and help.

I wish those being drawn into these groups like Avi has, really desired the truth. Because if they did, they would study the Scriptures and facts and know that they are being misled. That is not the case for so many, and Avi, Michael Rood and a long list of others are very willing to provide "direction" and a place to deposit ones $$.

I remember when I first wrote about Avi, in my original To Embrace Hebrew Roots series, ten yrs ago, he wrote me. And thanked me for disseminating his information. The difference is I evaluated his spiel to the Word of God, and showed his opinion of the Word and the promo of kabbalah and the talmud were all wrapped up in a package for those with itching ears.

And those who follow these characters can fall under another spirit--though they would fight that knowledge tooth and nail. Many do end up rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.

Having heard from some of those who have returned to Jesus Christ --because many forfeit Christ for the falseness these people offer--those who return or at least leave the movement often say they feel spiritually lost or adrift.

It is only because they desire the truth of the Scriptures and Christ that they are able to return to live for Christ. But it can be a long and hard battle to pull individuals from these snares and deceptions.

Your experience with how people react to the articles about Rood and others is soo common. People say they want the truth but don't really. They don't want to believe they are or have been misled, and pride enters into the picture. Then some find it easier to disregard documented information for anothers opinion and/or inaccurate portrayal of my website/me or the articles, and those others who write about these things. The portrayals would be amusing because they are so inaccurate, if it wasn't that it meant people are being lost because of not desiring truth.

I have found it interesting over the years at seeing how willing people are to dump scriptural and factual truth to save face, rather than honestly look at what they are involved in.

I have heard from family members, pastors, and friends of those who have been pulled into HR and the concern for and the resistance they are met with by those walking away from Christ to these deceptions is heartbreaking for them. The animosity that comes towards them and Christ, the breaking up of families and homes, the eventual rejection of the NT, and then Christ---these are the proven fruits of the spirit that they are walking with. It's difficult to watch, and even more difficult to step back and allow them to go, knowing that God alone can deliver them from deception.

The mistake some make is not realising that it is a spiritual battle and we must be equipped with the armor of God and very specifically with the Word of God, in order to enter that battle, as God leads us.

Anyway, hope to hear more from you. Regarding Avis' "real" truth about Galatians---he doesn't have the truth. He is just changing the Scriptures to sell a book, a teaching, an idea, all contrary to the Scriptures he claims to know.

[Kiwi]

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We are allowing this post to go through only with a warning that the information presented is inaccurate and a complete fallacy.

Avi ben Mordechai is a kabbalist - aka mysticism and of the occult, which is an abomination to God. Avi has simply rewritten the book of Galatians according to what seems right in his eyes, not that which was originally written. As we know, God does not look favorably on those who mess with His Word, or with those who "do right in their own eyes".

Secondly, YHWHELOHAYNU is not even pronounceable. We need you to change your nic name to something everyone can understand in English [the admins are very well aware of what your nic means]. No sacred names. Please let Vic know through an email and she will change it for you. Thank You.

Specifics about your post:

The New Testament, which was originally written in Greek, has not been misinterpreted - at least if one uses a NT based in the Byzantine/TR manuscripts [mss] - of which there are over 5,000. These mss were spread all over the known Christian world in the first and second centuries. This is how God chose to preserve His Word as He promised. The 5,000 mss are very closely compared favorably. As more and more mss were discovered over time, the comparison continued to be incredibly close. There is no way that one group that could have possibly gotten hold of all of all 5,000+ mss and changed the text so that christians for 2000 years were misled. This is folly, to be blunt, and is one of the greatest myths promulgated by the Hebrew Roots movement.

The Romans and Greeks were not able to stop the Gospel of the NT. Jesus clearly stated that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church - the foundation of which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the prophets, and the apostles. The apostles were given the authority to transmit the Gospel in both spoken and written form, by Jesus Christ Himself. God did not fail in His endeavor no matter how theologically driven the HR movement is for a agenda that is faulty and heretical.

What Avi did in his rewrite of Galatians is substitute the oral law for the "Law" as Paul uses it. The oral law is tradition - something that Jesus condemned quite clearly, which was the Pharisaical system later morphed into Rabbinical Judaism. The oral law as it was compiled in the Talmud is a polemical [against Christ] writing. In other words, the Talmud hates, denies, denigrates and blasphemes Jesus Christ. What Avi has done is promote this system as to what Paul was referring to in Galatians. This is grave error, and anathema.

Avi is best known for his kabbalism and denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ. His rewrite is simply a man-made system to promote Torah keeping. I am not sure you realize that Paul did not keep Torah himself. It is clear that Galatians is the "cog in the wheel" for Law Keepers, because it most definitely does not promote keeping the Law. Which is why HR is so anxious to either rewrite Galatians or get rid of it.

More information on Avi and also how he changes the Word of God:

http://www.seekgod.ca/avi.htm

Also in the original SeekGod.ca HR series, he was evaluated in almost every section
< http://www.seekgod.ca/topichr.htm > To Embrace Hebrew Roots > parts 1-9

The bottom line is this - we will not allow the indoctrination of HR teachings - including sacred name error - on this forum.

Quote:Shalom
if you want to know some truths about Galatians then you should read Galatians by Avi B Mordachai. What Christianity and other man made religions follow is an interpritation based on lies and deceit.
From my point of view there is only Echad Truth not two or three. It is a proven fact that the Gentiles, Greek / Romans despised the Jews and did everything in their path to destroy them including any Scripture written in Hebrew.
Marcion even went as far as to change Scripture because he didnt like the Jewishness of Scripture hence a lot of the Truth has been lost to the point where there is so much confusion around Galatians and the Pauline Apistles.
As a deciple / believer in Yeshua HaMashiach there is only Echad truth as there is Shima Yisrael YHWH Elohaynu YHWH Echad. There is only One God and One Truth and unfortunately if you're one of the Millions that have been dupped into thinking that Gods Mitvoth, Commandments and Statutes have been done away with then you have been dupped by those following their own doctrination and theology.
If you want the truth and its in your heart, get on your hands and knees and pray for it because our Father knows your heart and if you seek him he will show you his Truth and the Truth will set you free. Following man made lies will only take you to GayHinom.
Yeshua came to put God (YHWH) Laws on a solid platform, as Yeshua said "i not come to abolish but to fulfill the Torah and until Heaven and Earth pass away (and they're still here last time i looked), not one Jot or Tittle will pass away until All be fulfilled.
Don't be one of the blind that are doing away with even the smallest of Mitzvot or commandments as you know what Holy Scripture says about these people.
Be found planting the Truth when our Master returns as we are all responsible for what we sow. Do not look to man tell you how to read Scripture, ask our Father and discuss with your Brothers in Yeshua.
Avi B Mordachai has some excellent work and in my mind has been blessed because he is sowing the Truth and the Truth is Gods way NOT man made ways!
Shalom

[chris]

hi all
imho people loke avi etc are judaizers i read his book on galatians and when i got to the bit were he advocated circumsion for jew and gentile i put the book down as that was one error to many.some friends af mine are well in to him and now have no time for christianity and will not even discuss it we are wrong they are right so i no longer have contact with them if we are to keep the torah then why was jesus crucified.i do not believe that god would let man tamper with his word and then leave us floundering for 2000 years.
chris

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(09-22-2009 12:20 PM)chris Wrote:  hi all
imho people loke avi etc are judaizers i read his book on galatians and when i got to the bit were he advocated circumsion for jew and gentile i put the book down as that was one error to many.some friends af mine are well in to him and now have no time for christianity and will not even discuss it we are wrong they are right so i no longer have contact with them if we are to keep the torah then why was jesus crucified.i do not believe that god would let man tamper with his word and then leave us floundering for 2000 years.
chris

Thanx, Chris - good points

[Kiwi]

Avi can't help it if you're blind to the truth. Didnt Yeshua say to pharisee's, "didnt Moses give you the Torah yet none of you keep the Torah" & "My mother and my brothers are those that Hear the work (Shima) and Do (Asah) it (the word is HaTorah). Proverbs 28:9 He who turns his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer is an abomination. Christianity along with Orthodox Judaism, Catholism, Islam etc etc are all man made religions - Golden Calf.
Truth vs Deception 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
Because you people are so blind YHWH will increase the deluding influence as confirmed in Holy Scripture. There is only one truth as confirmed by YHWH to Moses at Mt Sinai, by Yeshua who constantly fought with the pharisee's over their Oral law (ma'aseh hatorah) or works of the law, as confirmed by the prophets and Yeshua's Talmidim.
As you appear to have no understanding of Hebrew or Aramaic and no truth in you or a heart seeking the Truth, there is no truth in you.
All one can do is pray for you.

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(09-22-2009 04:08 PM)Kiwi Wrote:  Avi can't help it if you're blind to the truth. Didnt Yeshua say to pharisee's, "didnt Moses give you the Torah yet none of you keep the Torah" & "My mother and my brothers are those that Hear the work (Shima) and Do (Asah) it (the word is HaTorah). Proverbs 28:9 He who turns his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer is an abomination. Christianity along with Orthodox Judaism, Catholism, Islam etc etc are all man made religions - Golden Calf.
Truth vs Deception 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
Because you people are so blind YHWH will increase the deluding influence as confirmed in Holy Scripture. There is only one truth as confirmed by YHWH to Moses at Mt Sinai, by Yeshua who constantly fought with the pharisee's over their Oral law (ma'aseh hatorah) or works of the law, as confirmed by the prophets and Yeshua's Talmidim.
As you appear to have no understanding of Hebrew or Aramaic and no truth in you or a heart seeking the Truth, there is no truth in you.
All one can do is pray for you.

Yes, Kiwi - we know This is not exactly a newsflash - it's the same old tired arguments

"As you appear to have no understanding of Hebrew or Aramaic ..." ---------- would that be the same "Hebrew and Aramaic" that your "teachers of greater truth" have convinced you is fact?

""didnt Moses give you the Torah yet none of you keep the Torah" ------- I think you missed the part about another Prophet that would come and the people should listen to Him - and it was not Moses:

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. [hint: not Moses who was standing right there]

Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Heb 3:2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Heb 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.


"My mother and my brothers are those that Hear the work (Shima) and Do (Asah) it (the word is HaTorah)." --------- That's not exactly what Jesus said:

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

How you get "shema Ha Torah" out of that is pretty fancy footwork. Must be those "teachers of greater truth" providing a few additions to the Word of God. I think He said that was a big "no-no"

It's interesting that you malign orthodox Judaism. Avi teaches it. Must be you missed that part which is incorporated with his Talmudic and kabbalistic teachings ...... I think you need to go back to the drawing board

"There is only one truth as confirmed by YHWH to Moses at Mt Sinai, by Yeshua who constantly fought with the pharisee's over their Oral law (ma'aseh hatorah) or works of the law, as confirmed by the prophets and Yeshua's Talmidim." ----------- I have no idea what you are trying to convey. It sounds like you are repeating pre-programed information that sounds real good to Hebrew Roots ears, but really makes no sense to the true understanding of Scriptures. Jesus was angry at the pharisees because of their hearts - the lies and manipulations to make themselves appear righteous and spiritual - the same lies and manipulations that are rampant with Hebrew Root's TOGT [Teachers Of Greater Truth]

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

[SheitlQueen]

I have the feeling this guy is about as Jewish as the Pope.

Apparently he calls himself an "Sephardic Jew", as does Rico Cortes, and we all know he isn't a Jew.

Looks like another nut case wanna be Jew.

I have noticed a trend amongst gentile Messianics to take on Hebrew names, and they seem especially
fond of the "Baruch ben Daniel" or "Avid ben Mordechai" forumulation.

This guy is a "kabbalist" about as much as he is a "Jew".

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(09-22-2009 05:17 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  I have the feeling this guy is about as Jewish as the Pope.

Apparently he calls himself an "Sephardic Jew", as does Rico Cortes, and we all know he isn't a Jew.

Looks like another nut case wanna be Jew.

I have noticed a trend amongst gentile Messianics to take on Hebrew names, and they seem especially
fond of the "Baruch ben Daniel" or "Avid ben Mordechai" forumulation.

This guy is a "kabbalist" about as much as he is a "Jew".

Unfortunately, Avi really is Jewish and he makes the most of it One of the rare ones in the movement. I forget what his real name is - Marcus something. Maybe I can dig it up from somewhere

[I found it > Bradley Marcus]

If you mix enough Hebrew in with your English, it's supposed to impress people enough to think you really know the "deep truths" of the Jewish Scriptures as interpreted by Hebrew Roots. Of course they truly believe they are actually Jewish somewhere somehow someway - if you force your family genealogy through the wringer enough times - or make it up as you go along

"Yah" is a favorite "name" to inject into a Hebraic sounding name as well. I think it "wins" the majority. I especially love it when they add it to the beginning