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[Vic]

(07-06-2009 05:36 PM)Emjesown Wrote:  Where can i find this part?

says concerning Christ, that he is the abomination of desolation


The reality is, many involved in these beliefs, end up rejecting Jesus Christ and the truth of the NT. The foundations become destroyed, and belief that what is written in the NT concerning Christ and living for Him are being overturned. The very person of Christ is being looked upon as pagan, or as Ed Nydle of Two House beliefs (connected to Brad Scott, Bill Cloud, Chumney etc) says concerning Christ, that he is the abomination of desolation


Emje

Emje!

I forgot to put the link in

So here it is > http://www.seekgod.ca/nydlenewsflash.htm

I miss you putting your little girl in...so need to make up for it.

[Emjesown]

You missed that litle girl?
and not me???

I have a time-out
from writing and reacting.
I was so busy in and around my house and a bit metal -fatique on writing. So i am doing different things



EMJE

[Vic]

(07-06-2009 08:10 PM)Emjesown Wrote:  You missed that litle girl?
and not me???

I have a time-out
from writing and reacting.
I was so busy in and around my house and a bit metal -fatique on writing. So i am doing different things



EMJE

Aww, I missed you and your little girl--they seemed like the same person.

I can understand busy and also fatigue from writing and such. It's good to have a break. But we love when you show up and post too.

Enjoy the time outs that you need.

We'll be thinking of you.

[grafted]

That link was more than a little disturbing, but it was not surprising either. You might be misunderstanding me, I am not pro bad doctrine if it gets a person to Christ, but I am also not going to question how the person got there either, e.g. trial, hardship, HR, Messie, Ad Astra (since we are playing with Latin). Each of us has our testimony of what led us into it, more often than not there is a session with bad teachings or false doctrines somewhere in the mix, e.g. someone came out of HR after learning the truth.

Remember I am simple, still drinking the milk and throwing my Gerbers across the room because the colors look pretty.
I don't doubt for a moment what you say about HRM, and have even taken to visiting Chummneys room on occasion just to lay in wait and call him out.
Now if a simple person like me, still drinking the milk can call him to the carpet on certain issues, image what someone like Paul could have done.

[sheep wrecked]

(07-06-2009 08:47 PM)grafted Wrote:  That link was more than a little disturbing, but it was not surprising either. You might be misunderstanding me, I am not pro bad doctrine if it gets a person to Christ, but I am also not going to question how the person got there either, e.g. trial, hardship, HR, Messie, Ad Astra (since we are playing with Latin). Each of us has our testimony of what led us into it, more often than not there is a session with bad teachings or false doctrines somewhere in the mix, e.g. someone came out of HR after learning the truth.

That does not make sense. HR cannot lead people to Christ. This is the point. Coming out of deception is a completely different concept.

An evil tree [HRM because it denies Christ] CANNOT bring forth good fruit - it can only bring forth evil fruit - ie: teaching, doctrines, traditions, theology aka another Gospel, etc

Quote:Remember I am simple, still drinking the milk and throwing my Gerbers across the room because the colors look pretty.
I don't doubt for a moment what you say about HRM, and have even taken to visiting Chummneys room on occasion just to lay in wait and call him out.
Now if a simple person like me, still drinking the milk can call him to the carpet on certain issues, image what someone like Paul could have done.

I find it hard to believe that in Chumney's room you can "call him on the carpet". Paltalk is known for the bounce feature which is used quite quickly on "dissenters". Besides which, I have heard it said that in Chumney's room the text is disabled and no one comes to the mic

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:That link was more than a little disturbing, but it was not surprising either. You might be misunderstanding me, I am not pro bad doctrine if it gets a person to Christ, but I am also not going to question how the person got there either, e.g. trial, hardship, HR, Messie, Ad Astra (since we are playing with Latin). Each of us has our testimony of what led us into it, more often than not there is a session with bad teachings or false doctrines somewhere in the mix, e.g. someone came out of HR after learning the truth.

The thing is Grafted, that HR usually targets those who have already been led to Christ and then leads them down the avenue of a different gospel.It then gets them to believe that everything that they have learnt of the faith until then is wrong and that the scriptures really meant u,x and y.

It is rare that they actually get non believers to accept their stuff. They are more likely to prey on those who really love God and want to serve Him with all their hearts.And then they persuade them that if they really loved God they would obey ALL His commandments ..(smile) and the brainwashing begins.

[grafted]

(07-06-2009 09:05 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  That does not make sense. HR cannot lead people to Christ. This is the point. Coming out of deception is a completely different concept.

An evil tree [HRM because it denies Christ] CANNOT bring forth good fruit - it can only bring forth evil fruit - ie: teaching, doctrines, traditions, theology aka another Gospel, etc

Why can't it lead someone to Christ, is he limited?
There are plenty of bad experiences that lead people to Christ, neither of those moments or events being Christian themselves in nature.
How does a person come from Satanism or Witchcraft to Christ?

Quote:I find it hard to believe that in Chumney's room you can "call him on the carpet". Paltalk is known for the bounce feature which is used quite quickly on "dissenters". Besides which, I have heard it said that in Chumney's room the text is disabled and no one comes to the mic

I have been bounced from the HRM Beit HaDerek(sp) room before, and they remove the dots after the initial teaching, usually just before they start the 5 minute update, or as I have openly called it in there, the KOOLAID moment.

[sheep wrecked]

(07-07-2009 04:40 AM)grafted Wrote:  Why can't it lead someone to Christ, is he limited?
There are plenty of bad experiences that lead people to Christ, neither of those moments or events being Christian themselves in nature.
How does a person come from Satanism or Witchcraft to Christ?

Christ is not limited. The Scriptures tell us that faith and salvation come through the Word of God - which is the true Gospel. A person does not come to Christ "through" satanism or witchcraft". They find Christ "outside" of it. Would you use the practices of satanism or witchcraft to preach the Gospel?

God said that deception causes people to "fall away" from the Gospel. It does NOT lead people to Him. HRM is deception. It is leading people away from Christ into denying Him and converting to Judaism. HRM reject Christs because it rejects the New Covenant.

Quote:I have been bounced from the HRM Beit HaDerek(sp) room before, and they remove the dots after the initial teaching, usually just before they start the 5 minute update, or as I have openly called it in there, the KOOLAID moment.

I am curious why you bother. Apparently you believe that HRM can preach the Gospel, so why warn anyone of the false teachings?

[Vic]

(07-07-2009 04:40 AM)grafted Wrote:  Why can't it lead someone to Christ, is he limited?
There are plenty of bad experiences that lead people to Christ, neither of those moments or events being Christian themselves in nature.
How does a person come from Satanism or Witchcraft to Christ?


I have been bounced from the HRM Beit HaDerek(sp) room before, and they remove the dots after the initial teaching, usually just before they start the 5 minute update, or as I have openly called it in there, the KOOLAID moment.

Hi grafted,

Bad experiences don't lead someone to Jesus Christ. A person that comes to Christ is drawn by the Father...not by some bad or other experience.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:63-65 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Titus 3:3-7 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7. That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Paul dealt with many like Chumney and the rest who present another gospel and another Jesus. And his warnings were clear.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

And James,

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

And John

1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

And Peter also,

2 Peter 2:17-22 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

We don't need to experience sin such as murder to know it is wrong. We don't need to lay in pig slop to know it stinks. Those who present another gospel and another Jesus are not pointing the way to Jesus Christ, but away from Him. That means the person is going the wrong direction. It is only by the grace of God that someone is pulled out of HR and returns to or comes to Christ. Meaning they may have known Christ previously and became totally deceived by HR.

Take a look at this letter from someone who had been leadership in HR.

http://www.seekgod.ca/hrarticle.htm

I get emails from many who were sucked into the mire of HR or many other deceptions. I hear how it almost and in some cases did detroy them spiritually and emotionally. And it was only because of prior knowledge of the Truth of Jesus Christ that they were pulled out and back to Him.

Read this > http://www.seekgod.ca/rejected.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/pressingon.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/malgoodman.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/highertruth.htm

People come to Christ. Not by going into deceptions. Or by learning the deception first. Those who don't know Him are already in deception grafted, in one form or another, because they do not know Him. You don't have to experience all the terrible deceptions to know they are deceptions. You don't have to commit all sins to know they are wrong.

God uses what He chooses. But He doesn't tell people to go sin or go into Christ denying teachings to learn about Him. Or tell people to follow Christ rejecting teachers who overturn the Scriptures to deceive and turn from Christ.

Unless you have a Scripture that supports that concept?

The Scriptures are there to learn about Him. The Truth is not hid to those who desire it. He promised that those who seek Him will find Him.

[Emjesown]

I hear how it almost and in some cases did detroy them spiritually and emotionally.


May i be honest here for a moment.

Why do i keep trying to defend messianics?
I do realise itts a leftover from the brainwash, but i can t get rif of the last chain (or 2 mabey)
I hate it but i can loos myself totally from it.
Despite i read alot of theyre false teachings and errors, a part of me still
believes we have to back to the roots of our faith.
Not back to Moses, don t get me wrong.
I find it dfficult to decie how far back i must go.
I call it back to before rcc.
I am really troubled , the brainwash i got ,was strong it seems.

EMJE