The Book of Enoch

[YYZ Skinhead]

(02-09-2011 12:09 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  
There is no known "author" of the Book of Enoch. It is surmised by historians that it was a compiled book by more than one author due to the differences in writing style. It is also estimated that the book was compiled around 300 AD. There were several fragments found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and were translated. I have a list of them and the translations, which show fragments of phrasing and partial verses here and there. From those we only get a very sketchy view of the book's contents.

Some early Christians appear to quote from the book, but because it was not preserved like the Scriptures were, it was general consensus, even by the Jews throughout history, that it is not an inspired book. And of course we know of the contradictions compared to the Bible.

The translations that have filtered down through the last 1500 years differ quite drastically with each other. The translation available today online, through the Hebrew Roots venue, and Christian Book Stores are all the same late [1928] translation [as far as I have seen].

They sell it in Christian stores? Do they know it's a grimoire? I looked up: occult books "book of enoch" on Google and I got a gazillion links to occult shops that sell a Book of Enoch, probably along with The Key of Solomon and other occultic and Masonic books (falsely) named after Biblical personae.

[sheep wrecked]

(02-09-2011 04:37 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  They sell it in Christian stores? Do they know it's a grimoire? I looked up: occult books "book of enoch" on Google and I got a gazillion links to occult shops that sell a Book of Enoch, probably along with The Key of Solomon and other occultic and Masonic books (falsely) named after Biblical personae.

Yep - I bought mine like 10-11 yrs ago in a Chr BookStore! Thought it was the bees knees At least way back then, when I was in Hebrew Roots

The Book of Enoch goes back to BC, though. Although there were early references to it, it lost interest and the book was "lost". Then it appeared again in the middle ages, and now has completely erupted as a viable book written by Enoch himself. The promoters of this nonsense is Hebrew Roots which has flowed over into the Christian venue with the famous "Jude quotes the Book of Enoch". Like most myths, they take on a life of their own.

If one really wants to know how occult it is, they should do some research on John Dee and his cohort Kelly and see just how insane people can get when delving into the demonic spiritual realm and their "angelic transmissions and 'Enochian language'" crud - not to mention the necromany and spirit visitations from angels, wife swaping due to their "command", etc. Dee had his own translation of Enoch in this "Enochian language" that still defies translation today due to no one having a clue how it read it. It's rather nauseating.

[Saltyone]

Yep - I bought mine like 10-11 yrs ago in a Chr BookStore! Thought it was the bees knees At least way back then, when I was in Hebrew Roots

The Book of Enoch goes back to BC, though. Although there were early references to it, it lost interest and the book was "lost". Then it appeared again in the middle ages, and now has completely erupted as a viable book written by Enoch himself. The promoters of this nonsense is Hebrew Roots which has flowed over into the Christian venue with the famous "Jude quotes the Book of Enoch". Like most myths, they take on a life of their own.

If one really wants to know how occult it is, they should do some research on John Dee and his cohort Kelly and see just how insane people can get when delving into the demonic spiritual realm and their "angelic transmissions and 'Enochian language'" crud - not to mention the necromany and spirit visitations from angels, wife swaping due to their "command", etc. Dee had his own translation of Enoch in this "Enochian language" that still defies translation today due to no one having a clue how it read it. It's rather nauseating.


Since there were early references to this book, could it be that at one time it was a godly book that the earl disciples used and then the devil came in to corrupt it just as he has done with the NIV and so on??

[sheep wrecked]

(02-14-2011 11:09 AM)Saltyone Wrote:  

(02-09-2011 05:36 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

Yep - I bought mine like 10-11 yrs ago in a Chr BookStore! Thought it was the bees knees At least way back then, when I was in Hebrew Roots

The Book of Enoch goes back to BC, though. Although there were early references to it, it lost interest and the book was "lost". Then it appeared again in the middle ages, and now has completely erupted as a viable book written by Enoch himself. The promoters of this nonsense is Hebrew Roots which has flowed over into the Christian venue with the famous "Jude quotes the Book of Enoch". Like most myths, they take on a life of their own.

If one really wants to know how occult it is, they should do some research on John Dee and his cohort Kelly and see just how insane people can get when delving into the demonic spiritual realm and their "angelic transmissions and 'Enochian language'" crud - not to mention the necromany and spirit visitations from angels, wife swaping due to their "command", etc. Dee had his own translation of Enoch in this "Enochian language" that still defies translation today due to no one having a clue how it read it. It's rather nauseating.


Since there were early references to this book, could it be that at one time it was a godly book that the earl disciples used and then the devil came in to corrupt it just as he has done with the NIV and so on??

If the Book of Enoch was "godly", it would have been preserved by God. I think the problem is that people are not content with the Bible and find a need to go elsewhere for something that is more sensational compared with how the Scriptures are perceived.

I once heard Elaine Pagels say that the Book of Judas was more accurate than the Gospels because it showed that Judas was the only disciple who "really understood" the ministry of Jesus Christ, and then plotted with Jesus to betray Him and fake His crucifixion

The Book of Enoch is a "fake". It is a gnostic work. The content shows it to be so. We have no "original" book. God will take care of the assaults against His Word in His time and thankfully, we now have a clear historical record of just how resoundingly He rendered judgment on this piece of garbage.

[sari83]

Here's a little bit about my experience with the book of Enoch.

My husband loved watching the history channel. It was on at our house practically every night. One night, a special aired about the "lost books of the bible." As this was something I'd never heard before, I found it extremely fascinating. Realizing the early Christians had access and read these books until the were allegedly destroyed in the 3rd century, I felt intrigued by the possiblity of reading and learning more of what they knew at that time. The fact that many of these books were re-discovered just in the past couple hundred years, and many as recent as the 1940's, I wondered if it was possibly somewhat of a miraculous event.

After specifically researching the Book of Enoch, I discovered that in the second century Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria considered the Book of Enoch to be divinely inspired. Also, Tertullian states, "But as Enoch has spoken in the same scripture of the Lord, and every scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired," let us reject nothing which belongs to us. It may now seem to have been disavowed by the Jews like all other scripture which speaks of Christ."

After much consideration, In 2004, I purchased a copy entitled, The Book of Enoch The Prophet translated by: Richard Laurence 1883 edition, from the local Barnes & Noble. I read the book through once from an objective perspective. What really stood out to me about the book was the extraordinary details it descibes of heaven and the spiritual realm, one of the greatest mysteries known to man. Although, I don't refer to it as scripture, occasionally I'll reference it again just to re-read this desciption.

According to my copy, scholars believe the original Book of Enoch to have been written somewhere around 1-2nd century B.C. If that is the case, it obviously couldn't have been written by Enoch.

The question remains: Was there an original Book of Enoch that was referenced by Jude, Irenaeus, Clement, and Tertullian?

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:The question remains: Was there an original Book of Enoch that was referenced by Jude, Irenaeus, Clement, and Tertullian?

If there was we don't have it.Personally I think that if its not in the jewish or christian canons then for good reason.
I too fell prey to purchasing one of the supposed translations some years ago but what I came to conclude amongst other things is that obsession with what the heavenly realm may be like isn't a good thing.We are meant to be concentrating on spreading the Gospel and not on speculating what heaven or other realms may be like.
If it had been that important then God would have preserved it for us like He did with other texts.
We have what we need in The Bible.Delving into other texts and treating them as inspired or useful is veering off into dangerous waters in my opinion.And I don't believe everything I see on the History Channel either.I stopped watching it since it seems many of the programs had hidden agendas to subtly erode at the christian faith.

[Mary]

(03-31-2011 08:56 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  

Quote:The question remains: Was there an original Book of Enoch that was referenced by Jude, Irenaeus, Clement, and Tertullian?

If there was we don't have it.Personally I think that if its not in the jewish or christian canons then for good reason.
I too fell prey to purchasing one of the supposed translations some years ago but what I came to conclude amongst other things is that obsession with what the heavenly realm may be like isn't a good thing.We are meant to be concentrating on spreading the Gospel and not on speculating what heaven or other realms may be like.
If it had been that important then God would have preserved it for us like He did with other texts.
We have what we need in The Bible.Delving into other texts and treating them as inspired or useful is veering off into dangerous waters in my opinion.And I don't believe everything I see on the History Channel either.I stopped watching it since it seems many of the programs had hidden agendas to subtly erode at the christian faith.

I agree Rose, and also with your point on the History channel - there is a definite agenda there, and it's not to produce accurate historical accounts of anything, unfortunately.