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Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph?
10-30-2010, 08:01 PM
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RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph?
The Jeremiah verse that you quoted

Jer 8:8 How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes.



We see the word there lasheker,which, as you mentioned before can mean, according to Strong's

an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): - without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.

In the following verses also we see where lasheker means in vain and not a lie.

Jer 3:23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.

Psa 33:17 An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

1Sa 25:21 Now David had said, Surely in vain have I kept all that this fellow hath in the wilderness, so that nothing was missed of all that pertained unto him: and he hath requited me evil for good.



I believe the Jeremiah 8 verse is saying the scribes,who along with the priests taught and explained the Law to the people, made the Law which they taught a sham and disregarded it as a vain/useless/futile thing.
As in the times of Christ,they taught the Law but didn't themselves follow it.By reading through the Jeremiah chapters we see why God was saying this.


Jer 2:8 The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

Jer 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD.
Jer 5:12 They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine:
Jer 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jer 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?


The prophets,priests and scribes were all prophesying falsely and the priests and scribes were complicit.But Jeremiah who we have as Scripture, was prophesying for the Lord.Jeremiah 8 does not refer to Scripture but to what the scribes and teachers of the Law were doing in Israel then.Instead of relying on the true prophets of God and teaching the Law correctly they instead fashioned for themselves false prophecies and interpretations of the Law they had been given.


Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
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Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 01-06-2009, 07:25 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 01-06-2009, 08:55 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - strefanash - 01-08-2009, 04:49 AM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - strefanash - 01-08-2009, 11:59 AM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 10-27-2010, 05:35 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 10-28-2010, 05:35 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Mary - 10-29-2010, 05:38 AM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 10-29-2010, 01:21 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Rose of Shushan - 10-30-2010 08:01 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 10-31-2010, 12:39 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 10-31-2010, 03:09 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 11-01-2010, 01:54 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 03-28-2011, 01:56 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 03-29-2011, 09:53 AM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 03-29-2011, 04:24 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 03-30-2011, 01:59 PM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Mary - 03-31-2011, 03:50 AM
RE: Virgin Birth or Son of Joseph? - Vic - 03-31-2011, 12:27 PM
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