Mikveh

[sheep wrecked]

Although the Messianic movement replaces Christian baptism with the mikveh, they are different concepts. Does anyone know why Hebrew Roots designates their "baptisms" as a mikveh, when according to Judaism, they are not the same procedure? Is anyone familiar with or have information on the mikveh?

[SheitlQueen]

(02-10-2009 10:01 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  t Is anyone familiar with or have information on the mikveh?

Did you have any specific questions regarding the use of
the mikveh in Judaism?

[sheep wrecked]

(06-29-2009 01:13 AM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  Did you have any specific questions regarding the use of
the mikveh in Judaism?

Hi Sheitlqueen! Welcome to the forum

We have an introduction thread and we love for you to introduce yourself there and tell us a little about you

To answer your question, I mostly started the thread to get a little discussion going as Messianics seem to not be aware that Chrisitian baptism is not the mikveh, but use it the same way because it is Jewish

If you have something you would like to share regarding the mikveh, that would be cool

[SheitlQueen]

Quote:Hi Sheitlqueen! Welcome to the forum
We have an introduction thread and we love for you to introduce yourself there and tell us a little about you

Thanks for the welcome; I'll make sure to go to the introduction
thread, not that there is much to tell about myself, LOL.

Quote:To answer your question, I mostly started the thread to get a little discussion going as Messianics seem to not be aware that Chrisitian baptism is not the mikveh, but use it the same way because it is Jewish

A little confused-do you mean the baptism is used in the same way
as the mikveh, or that Messianics use the mikveh the same way
Jews do?


PS- love your forum name. I used to raise sheep.
Also, where is the intro thread? I seem unable to locate it.

[Vic]

(06-29-2009 12:15 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  

Quote:Hi Sheitlqueen! Welcome to the forum
We have an introduction thread and we love for you to introduce yourself there and tell us a little about you

Thanks for the welcome; I'll make sure to go to the introduction
thread, not that there is much to tell about myself, LOL.

Quote:To answer your question, I mostly started the thread to get a little discussion going as Messianics seem to not be aware that Chrisitian baptism is not the mikveh, but use it the same way because it is Jewish

A little confused-do you mean the baptism is used in the same way
as the mikveh, or that Messianics use the mikveh the same way
Jews do?


PS- love your forum name. I used to raise sheep.
Also, where is the intro thread? I seem unable to locate it.

Hi SheitlQueen,

The introduce yourself is in the top section > Announcements > sub section > Introduce yourself > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=17

[sheep wrecked]

(06-29-2009 12:15 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  A little confused-do you mean the baptism is used in the same way
as the mikveh, or that Messianics use the mikveh the same way
Jews do?


PS- love your forum name. I used to raise sheep.
Also, where is the intro thread? I seem unable to locate it.

Here is the introduction thread
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=5

Messianics get re-baptized doing a "mikveh" to prove that they are being more Jewish - usually in swimming pools and occasionally lakes or streams. They call it a mikveh because that is the Jewish word for getting dunked in water for purification [think how christian baptism is practiced]. They really believe this is doing a mikveh

[SheitlQueen]

(06-29-2009 12:27 PM)Vic Wrote:  The introduce yourself is in the top section > Announcements > sub section > Introduce yourself > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=17 [/b] [/color]

Thanks, Vic, I'll head over there now.

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(06-29-2009 02:19 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  Messianics get re-baptized doing a "mikveh" to prove that they are being more Jewish - usually in swimming pools and occasionally lakes or streams. They call it a mikveh because that is the Jewish word for getting dunked in water for purification [think how christian baptism is practiced]. They really believe this is doing a mikveh

Oh, my.....not only is a pool not a kosher mikveh, getting "baptized" isn't
the purpose of a mikveh.....and it certainly doesn't make them " being
more Jewish". They actually believe that?

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(06-29-2009 02:26 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  Oh, my.....not only is a pool not a kosher mikveh, getting "baptized" isn't
the purpose of a mikveh.....and it certainly doesn't make them " being
more Jewish". They actually believe that?

Yeah, I know it's hard to believe

That's what happens when a movement tries teach people what Judaism is "really" about. Or worse yet, it's a system that wants to teach the Jews how to be Jewish

Having read a bit on mikveh's I was wondering how you view it. I have read the chasidic view and read about more general practices which don't seem to be quite so mystical in meaning. How important is the mikveh to you? Are there other uses for the mikveh other than for purification after niddah?

What I find interesting is that as much as the Messys think they are so Jewish, they don't seem to "get" that women are supposed to mikveh after niddah - it's actually kinda humorous.

Also, questions are popping into my head - but according to Torah, the woman is supposed to remain separate from everyone during niddah - like not use the same seats, etc. Do you follow that specifically or do you follow Talmudic practice?

Thanx bunches!

[SheitlQueen]

(06-29-2009 02:42 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  That's what happens when a movement tries teach people what Judaism is "really" about. Or worse yet, it's a system that wants to teach the Jews how to be Jewish[/b][/color]
Can we say "chutzpah", LOL?

Quote: How important is the mikveh to you? Are there other uses for the mikveh other than for purification after niddah?

Since I am an old lady, the mikveh no longer applies to me...but yes
it is absolutely necessary to use it after being in a state of niddah.
They are also used before a wedding, for conversions, and some have
separate mikvaot for toiveling dishes and a very few select groups
have one for use of the preparation of a body for burial.

It is used amongst men too...some men go everyday, some
just before shabbas, others just before a holiday. In Jerusalem
one goes to the mikveh before ascending the Temple Mount.
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What I find interesting is that as much as the Messys think they are so Jewish, they don't seem to "get" that women are supposed to mikveh after niddah -

Yeah, that is pretty basic....I wonder if they don't know
or if they just choose to not do it because it isn't "convenient".

Quote:Also, questions are popping into my head - but according to Torah, the woman is supposed to remain separate from everyone during niddah - like not use the same seats, etc. Do you follow that specifically or do you follow Talmudic practice?

I'm no expert in Talmud law- I leave that to they guyz -
but during the state of niddah a husband and wife have no physical
contact at all. As far as seating, other than a mechitzah, I've never
seen anyone concerned that a niddah might have sat on a chair.
I heard one Messianic woman say that in her church the person in
a state of niddah sits on a pillow! I've never heard or seen that in
Judaism. She also said women in niddah state could not touch the
Torah...again we don't hold by that because there is the concept
that a Torah is holy and a niddah woman (or anything else) cannot defile it.

It seems Messianics seem to pick and choose what they practice,
and come up with practices that are totally alien to Judaism.

[Vic]

(06-29-2009 03:52 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  It seems Messianics seem to pick and choose what they practice,
and come up with practices that are totally alien to Judaism.

. Except I would add..totally alien to Christianity and Judaism. Would you do us a big favor--for the many english speaking readers, who don't understand the hebrew words, would you mind putting in an english equivalent? That would be super helpful. I know many messianics/hr think they got Hebrew down cold...but...most don't either.