Tithing

[pastor_chris]

Sheep,

I have been a good citizen on the forum. I have not posted an heresy. I just read Vics post and it sounded like a threat to ban me. And if that is here desire then she can go ahead, that was my only point. I have asked Vic to stop picking on me. I am done with the bickering. Scripture, sure, arguing, no.

[sheep wrecked]

(07-25-2009 10:43 PM)pastor_chris Wrote:  Sheep,

I have been a good citizen on the forum. I have not posted an heresy. I just read Vics post and it sounded like a threat to ban me. And if that is here desire then she can go ahead, that was my only point. I have asked Vic to stop picking on me. I am done with the bickering. Scripture, sure, arguing, no.

Vic is not "picking" on you and no one is "bickering" but you Quit victimizing yourself
This is a forum, not a church

Lighten up

[pastor_chris]

You are right if it was a church the beliefs would be orthodox and consistent with the scriptures. LOL

[Strefanash]

One thing they dont tell you is that when the say that tithing was practiced before the law so it should be practiced AFTER the law, is that they are saying it should be practised AS a law (ie a compulsory ordinance you do whether you do feel like it or not. But this thinking is legalistic, it is how the world's morality works and it misses the point of the Law of God entirely) . Moreover they are saying it should be treated AS a law because it was given BEFORE the law. THis is similar to the Seventh Day adventist thinking oni the Sabbath

As I have said before what is ones motive?

If we are trying to buy off God's wrath or purchase his favour we insult him.

If you give cheeerfully, ie enjoy doing it, and do not deprive your family in the process, (ST Paul is very stern about those who neglect their families, in Titus I think, and tithing to the detriment of one's children is I think an example of this) well and good. But the moment it is legislated it in a sense dies, and ceases to me a living work of faith and becomes a dead work of law.

That it to say a living or dead work is seen not by its nature but by its motive, and compulsory works are DEAD DEAD DEAD

[heb13-13]

(07-28-2009 02:23 AM)Strefanash Wrote:  One thing they dont tell you is that when the say that tithing was practiced before the law so it should be practiced AFTER the law, is that they are saying it should be practised AS a law (ie a compulsory ordinance you do whether you do feel like it or not. But this thinking is legalistic, it is how the world's morality works and it misses the point of the Law of God entirely) . Moreover they are saying it should be treated AS a law because it was given BEFORE the law. THis is similar to the Seventh Day adventist thinking oni the Sabbath

As I have said before what is ones motive?

If we are trying to buy off God's wrath or purchase his favour we insult him.

If you give cheeerfully, ie enjoy doing it, and do not deprive your family in the process, (ST Paul is very stern about those who neglect their families, in Titus I think, and tithing to the detriment of one's children is I think an example of this) well and good. But the moment it is legislated it in a sense dies, and ceases to me a living work of faith and becomes a dead work of law.

That it to say a living or dead work is seen not by its nature but by its motive, and compulsory works are DEAD DEAD DEAD

Amen, Strefanash! You are right, they practice it as a LAW, TODAY!!

One thing that I am going to mention soon is all the many areas of a person's life (family, extended family, etc) they have to neglect in order to cough up their tithe payment.

[Mark]

I can attest to the neglecting family part of tithing. I don't know if anyone has read my previous posts on this topic, but I am still in a hole financially due in large part being told to pay tithes FIRST and if I couldn't pay a bill that was due "God will provide a way". I DO believe God provides all of my needs. I don't believe He honored me for paying tithes weekly when I couldn't afford to pay bills or provide for our kids.
As for the before the law thing, we were told that since Abraham gave to Melchizedec, that it was a precursor to tithing. Since Melchizedec "had no beginning or end", he was a type of Christ which went into the New Testament and therefore showed that we were still expected to tithe. Furthermore, it was taught that Christ supported tithing when He made the statement about "Ye give tithes of mint" etc. I got very confused because of who He was talking to. Anyway, for me tithing has left it's mark on our finances and not in a good way. my wife still tithes regardless. I just pray that the Lord will open her eyes soon to the false teaching of this. Have a great day!

[heb13-13]

(07-28-2009 09:17 AM)Mark Wrote:  Furthermore, it was taught that Christ supported tithing when He made the statement about "Ye give tithes of mint" etc. I got very confused because of who He was talking to. Anyway, for me tithing has left it's mark on our finances and not in a good way. my wife still tithes regardless. I just pray that the Lord will open her eyes soon to the false teaching of this. Have a great day!

Hi Mark,

That is one of the verses that I am going to deal with today.

By the way, shouldn't you and your wife be in agreement on where you give? If you don't agree, should she still be doing it? I am sure you have thought about this. What is the reason that she is giving if you do not approve?

Respectfully, Rick

[Mark]

Hi Mark,

That is one of the verses that I am going to deal with today.

By the way, shouldn't you and your wife be in agreement on where you give? If you don't agree, should she still be doing it? I am sure you have thought about this. What is the reason that she is giving if you do not approve?

Respectfully, Rick
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Hi Rick,

BELIEVE me, that is a MAJOR issue in our marriage. We have talked (loudly sometimes) about it but she is firm in continuing to give because of what she has been taught. She even believes that the scripture says that if the husband tries to steer his wife from obeying God (including paying tithes) that she should not go along with it and continue to tithe.
I haven't found that scripture yet, so if you know where it is, I would appreciate being shown.
Anyway, we have come to be content with where we are. I don't want to argue about it anymore and she wants to continue "being obedient to God and paying tithes". So, that's where we are. We are not going to be able to move past this until she truly seeks God and realizes that she has been misinformed about tithing.
I look forward to your continued posts. Thanks!

[heb13-13]

(07-28-2009 12:31 PM)Mark Wrote:  Hi Mark,

That is one of the verses that I am going to deal with today.

By the way, shouldn't you and your wife be in agreement on where you give? If you don't agree, should she still be doing it? I am sure you have thought about this. What is the reason that she is giving if you do not approve?

Respectfully, Rick

Hi Rick,

BELIEVE me, that is a MAJOR issue in our marriage. We have talked (loudly sometimes) about it but she is firm in continuing to give because of what she has been taught. She even believes that the scripture says that if the husband tries to steer his wife from obeying God (including paying tithes) that she should not go along with it and continue to tithe.
I haven't found that scripture yet, so if you know where it is, I would appreciate being shown.
Anyway, we have come to be content with where we are. I don't want to argue about it anymore and she wants to continue "being obedient to God and paying tithes". So, that's where we are. We are not going to be able to move past this until she truly seeks God and realizes that she has been misinformed about tithing.
I look forward to your continued posts. Thanks!
[/quote]

Hi Mark,

There is a way to handle this without getting into an argument. She obviously thinks you are in rebellion towards God on this and that is a big problem in her thinking. But she is also fearful from her past teaching on this and thinks that God's wrath will descend if your family stops tithing.

That is the problem with any LAW that we establish and follow, because it goes directly to our relationship with the Father.

I want you two to have peace and experience "walking together" and "being agreed" Amos 3:3. Can two walk together, except they be agreed? It is very difficult if you are not in agreement.

So don't do or say anything yet. I will post something, just don't know when, but soon.

Blessings to you, Brother.
Rick

[Mark]

Thanks Rick!