rancherforchrist, aka Chris Evans & Doug Perry & FOTM

[Vic]

I must admit that I have been hoping that Chris Evans, on here using his normal nic of rancherforchrist, would enter into dialogue on some of the threads I started recently. The goal for me was to dialogue and allow him to express his beliefs openly so that exposing him would be validated very easily by his own words on record on this forum. While some of his statements and posts are likely troubling some readers, who he is, is far more than what is being said here, or from his current website, and blog.

I have spent some time researching Chris Evans and his associations, and please note, that Ed J who was banned recently for being a kabbalist, false prophet and so on, has joined Chris Evans as a member of his website organization. Birds of a feather really do flock together, and it is interesting seeing who does agree with Chris' doctrine.

Chris Evans listens to a voice that he believes is God and which allows him to and tells him to sin, overturn Scriptures, take away from and add to the Word of God.

He is a false prophet and heretic; a wolf in sheep's clothing, although there isn't much sheep skin on him. He's pretty obvious as a deception, if one abides the Word of God as the standard of Truth.

Before I go further, I want to make it clear that I have researched source documents, as well as tracked eyewitness accounts which are corroborated by others involved. I will be providing source documentation, and please note, this is not an endorsement of those sources or their beliefs. There is documentation on the internet from those who have been directly involved with Chris Evans and Doug Perry and their organisation, Fellowship of the Martyrs (FOTM), Church of Liberty and Liberty Disaster Relief, and a myriad of websites, YouTube, GodTube, Google, MySpace and LiveVideo documentation and such from the past. *I have some private emails which have provided some details, which I will not post as a specific source.

Normally I would do this research as a website article or series but because Chris Evans is a temporary member here, I decided to post here. It will come in sections and may take a few days to get it all posted. Thank you for your patience.

[Vic]

Let's start with Chris Evans aka rancherforChrist: married, adulterer, bigamist and continuing still.

In his online book called Why Did God Choose You, Chris Evans goes into detail about his past which includes lust, covetousness, drunkenness, fornication, sexual promiscuity, addiction to pornography, molestations and sexual assault of children, homosexual encounters, rape, adulteries, living together, multiple marriages, divorces and neglects his latest affairs which he claims are validated and as of God by being called "spiritual marriages". His self aggrandizement and attempts to sound repentant rings hollow by the wicked fruit that follows in his wake.

Chris Evans was married to June for 18 years. Prior to that he had been married three other times, the third, lasting nine months, and followed that by living with another woman. During that time he developed his aberrant beliefs and in 2005 became associated with Doug Perry, himself a false prophet and heretic. Doug told Chris to quit his job and join him--and he did. In fact Chris Evans and Doug Perry believe they are the prophesied two witnesses, and they hold the keys to hell and can throw anyone in there, and Doug believes he is the leader of the 144,000. More on their beliefs later.

While married to June, Chris Evans in agreement with Doug Perry, developed a teaching/understanding called 'spiritual marriage'. In the wake of their teachings, has been broken lives and broken homes, abandoned and unsupported children. The crux of the teaching is: if the person you are married to doesn't go along with the teachings of Doug Perry and Chris Evans, then you are no longer or never were in a God given marriage, and you don't even have to divorce, because it was not of God to begin with. To them 'spiritual marriages' are supposed to symbolize Christ putting away the old bride for the new. Therefore, according to their beliefs, you can enter into 'spiritual marriage' with a 'true spiritual bride', while still being married and not legally divorced. However, whether you do divorce or not, it is not adultery, because according to them, you were never married before God to begin with. That is the justification for Chris Evans to enter into various "spiritual marriages", and the total count is unknown at this time, but there has been two confirmed.. Incidentally, any that disagree or challenge Chris Evans or Doug Perry are viewed as zombies, possessed, dead or having "a red dragon."

While married to June, Chris Evans entered into a "spiritual marriage" in August of 2007, beginning the affair in June or July, with a Dianna, who was divorced. Doug Perry, a 'baptist minister", performed the ceremony and it became a legal marriage --meaning Chris Evans is a bigamist, which is a criminal offence according to various states laws. In November of 2007 and again in 2008, while living with Dianna, Chris filed for divorce against June, and failed to do things according to the law, so the divorce never proceeded. When Dianna regained her senses she threw Chris out. He wasn't 'homeless' just moved in with others as he was 'told' to do.He then went on an "LA missions trip" supposedly to help the poor and homeless but, it was in essence a search for the next "spiritual bride" 'the lord told Chris to find," according to the numerology/gematria and voice he listens to. This time he found "Nicole". She moved to Liberty Missouri, believing the doctrines she was fed by Chris in LA. The first nite she arrived Doug Perry told her she had to go on a missions trip with Chris Evans. They went alone and spent that time with Chris Evans eventually marrying her, May 9, 2008. Nicole fled that "marriage" the next day. This time the marriage was performed by a Rusty, a 33 degree mason.

After Chris released a video stating some of the things he now has in his book, June released a video and finally came to the conclusion she could no longer save her marriage, although she attempted to follow Chris when he took off to Washington state --abandoning June with their apartment rent over due. His 'voice' or Doug told him to go. June ended up selling off what they had and made the trip. Chris moved in with her, in a one room cabin, and while June got work, Chris spent hours on the cell phone to Doug Perry, from June 25th to July 9th. The cell phone June provided for Chris and he left her with a bill of over 666$. No kidding. Doug Perry picked Chris up so they could go on a "missions trip" and June headed back to Missouri. June asked Chris twice if he would come back with her, and Chris chose Doug Perry.

In one of their last conversations June said, "I can’t go through the craziness anymore with Doug and his false teaching. He is a cult" and

Quote:"I said to Chris, I am tired of your manipulation, your control, your witchcraft. He said, yes I have been doing that and I am sorry. I said to Chris – I need simplicity in my life.

I need the simplicity of Jesus once again. I gave Chris a choice at that time to choose our marriage or to choose Doug. Chris turned around and said, “I am going to follow God”. That was the last time I talked to Chris face to face...."

June said,

Quote:"I forgave him the debt[for the cell bill] and he emailed me back thanking me for forgiving the debt and that he had found the love of his life. ...That was Chris’ first spiritual wife. He filed here in MO on November the 30th[2007] for divorce and that was paid by the first spiritual wife. Then on the 3rd or 4th of December she called him to come back and get his stuff and get out. God started showing her things that were going on. That divorce Chris dismissed it without prejudice and refilled on March 18th of this year [2008]. Chris’ God and my God – I believe the God of the Bible; Jesus Christ is the Son of God – I did accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

I did not walk away from my marriage. I gave Chris a choice to choose me and stand for our marriage or choose Doug and that was the second time he chose Doug.

...Chris’ god is posted on Fellowship of the Martyrs. Chris’ god tells him to get on the floor and cry like a baby while his god stands on him and puts a chain on him to keep him in line, because he is a bulldog. Chris, that’s not the God I know. The God I know does not do that. The attributes of God are so totally different than to get on the floor and cry like a baby. That’s not God, that’s the god of this world.

I’m choosing to follow Jesus Christ, the Son of God. ...The fruits of you following Doug – Chris you laid down before Doug and told Doug you had a problem with submission so you laid down in front of him and said you submit to him.

You went chasing after Nicole. You went chasing after another woman in Phoenix that I know of . You admitted on youtube about child molestation – I don’t know anything about child molestation – I know about your sister; about rape – I don’t know anything about rape, Chris. The police are watching the videos and the internet very closely, Chris. Your homosexuality, that issue there – I had feelings about that and God was showing me that I didn’t have proof and now you have
confessed. Based on all of that, I do have grounds for divorce. My attorney has been notified to proceed.

The door is closed between you and me, Chris. I am not turning back, I am going on with my life. You can choose to follow Doug and submit to him all you want. .

But I am saying to you – don’t run to Doug when those demons start attacking again. Call on the Name of Jesus Christ, Chris. Not Doug, call on Jesus."

[Open letter to my husband Chris Evans Rancherforchrist FOTM >June Evans]

In his online book, Chris Evans said this concerning June:

Quote: "...p 108 ...It wasn’t long until we got married. Somehow we started going to church together. “ … my lust demon just would not leave me alone. I was actively involved in pornography and drinking...June and I spent the better part of 17 years in a marriage that was usually on the rocks in one way or another. It was a relationship that was full of bitterness and pain and never should have happened in the first place.” “ … June and I met a number of other Christians. I soon found out that many of them struggled with the same sins that I did, though most wouldn’t admit it.”

Page 112 “I am sorry to say, that I am an expert on adultery, both in the natural and the spiritual. I am an expert on what it feels like, looks like, smells like and the bloody trail that it leaves behind. For years I wondered why it felt like adultery every time June and I were in bed together.”

“It seems that she is now broken beyond repair. In the last year I have offered all that I have in me on her behalf, though it seems to no avail. I have watched her spiral lower and lower until there was nothing but pure bitterness and hatred in her eyes. I have watched my brothers and sisters in Christ do the same for her and still is seems that she is eternally lost.”

pg 113 “My life has been a portfolio that portrays a bloody trail of dead and dying souls that I have left in my wake.”

“Over the years, a number of pastors had tried to give counsel to June and some to June and I together. These are pastors that we submitted to. ...They were supposed to know better. They were supposed to be shepherds to us. How is it that not one of them displayed enough discernment to recognize an active spirit of witchcraft in June’s life?

Page 114 “For years, I went from one church to another in this city, looking for someone that could tell me how to get free. I searched high and low for someone that could tell me what was wrong with my marriage. Most just tried to deal with the fruits. Not one of them seemed to understand that there was a bad root and that the root was the problem. Not one of them ever seemed to understand that June and I were in a marriage that God couldn’t bless because we never acknowledged Him in it and we made oaths and vows that the bible clearly tells us not to make. If that wasn’t bad enough, one of them even married us a second time and helped us make the same vows all over again and invite the evil one into our marriage for a second time and bring a second dose of judgment on ourselves.”

Page 115 “So, when we made vows the first time we got married, it was from the evil one and we fell into judgment.”

“In December of 2005, June and I went to the Sunday morning service at Living Stone Fellowship in Kansas City, Kansas … While the service was in full swing, I noticed a man and his wife and two little girls sitting in the row right in front of me. I didn’t know them and had never seen them before. After the service ended, he turned around and introductions were in order. We reached out and shook hands and He prayed with me. He was the first person I had ever met, other than Jesus, who was willing to lay everything down for me. I didn’t know it at the time but while Doug was holding my hand that morning, he pushed Jesus at me. I know that you may not understand or be familiar with the terminology I’m using. When I say “push” it simply means “impart” … If you want to call it “impartation of the Holy Spirit”, that’s fine with me, because that’s exactly what it is, and it’s certainly biblical too.” end quotes

It should be noted that Chris cutoff his biography shortly after the time frame of meeting Doug and mentioned having one "affair" while married to June and did not go into the whole 'spiritual marriage' relationships he believes in and has had.

Doug Perry, in what appears to be a full partnership and agreement of doctrine and ideas with Chris Evans, was divorced by his wife Rachael and he abandoned them with no child support, although legally he was supposed to provide support for their two small daughters. He was arrested at one point for non payment and that eventually was bargained down to no support and losing all his parental rights, by his choice. Doug Perry also sought a former married woman, who secretly became his 'spiritual bride'. And so it goes.

What does Scripture say about not taking care of one's family--which includes a wife and/or children?

1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

he hath denied >>G720
ἀρνέομαι
arneomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to deny
2) to deny someone
2a) to deny one’s self
2a1) to disregard his own interests or to prove false to himself
2a2) act entirely unlike himself
3) to deny, abnegate, abjure
4) not to accept, to reject, to refuse something offered
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the middle voice of G4483

the faith>G4102
πίστις
pistis
Thayer Definition:
1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man’s relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
1a) relating to God
1a1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
1b) relating to Christ
1b1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
1c) the religious beliefs of Christians
1d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2) fidelity, faithfulness
2a) the character of one who can be relied on
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3982
Citing in TDNT: 6:174, 849

worse> than an infidel>G571
ἄπιστος
apistos
Thayer Definition:
1) unfaithful, faithless, (not to be trusted, perfidious)
2) incredible
2a) of things
3) unbelieving, incredulous
3a) without trust (in God)
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103
Citing in TDNT: 6:174, 849

The spiritual marriage beliefs come partly from the mormon beliefs on that subject, and Doug Perry lived a block from a mormon prison, and spent time learning of these things. However, one sees the concept of it in Latter Rain proponents as well as kabbalists---which mormonism doctrine is also filled with.

The attempted validation for this heresy and sin is using Ezra 10 and a few other OT passages.

This type of behavior of divorcing spouses and finding the 'real' partner, is found throughout Hebrew Roots proponents and leadership and likely other groups who deny the Scriptures for their own purposes. They try to justify it with the same OT Scriptures, instead of confirming what Jesus Himself said.

Matthew 19:3-9 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8. He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mark 10:2-12 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. 3. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? 4. And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. 5. And Jesus answered and said unto them,

For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8. And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

[Vic]

Here's a reply by Doug Perry, and in which Chris Evans was also discussed, to "Freda" concerning marriage, divorce and spiritual marriage from the FOTM site.

Quote:That's not what Ezra 10 says. Show me where in the Bible it says that we are to stay in a ongoing, sinful situation after we have realized what we've done. How is this different than living with someone or doing drugs. You realize you shouldn't, you confess, then you REPENT – you TURN AWAY. God DID do this at times in the Bible, so we know that He is still capable of it. You may disagree, but you don't have BIBLE to back you up. (Show me if I'm wrong.) You misunderstand that marriage is first and foremost a THREE way covenant – for it to be HOLY it must be between us and God. And if He doesn't acknowledge it as a marriage – because it was never His will and He is not obligated to endorse YOUR plans – then there is no divorce in God's eyes (and no violation of His law) because He never honored it in the first place.

...You are mixing and matching laws of Man and laws of God. Again, my assertion is that you are NOT divorcing if God never honored it in the first place. Now, just because you didn't hear Him tell you to marry someone doesn't mean that His hand wasn't on it – it's not an automatic. But Clare herself heard from the Lord that her last marriage was adulterous and that God never honored it. She was told SPECIFICALLY beforehand not to marry John. She lived 21 years in what God said all along was an adulterous affair. Because she didn't get married in church? Because her first husband was alive? NO. Because God told her not to and she did it anyway.

And she left HIM, an unbeliever – and God told her to. I have no doubt. But wouldn't that violate His Word? Shouldn't she stay? How could God tell her to leave?

Because it was never a marriage in the first place.

This generation is hearing God better than any previous. I really believe that He is pouring His Spirit out on all flesh and more and more people are hearing and seeing and having dreams and visions. And more and more people are reporting to me that God specifically and forcefully told them that the person they THOUGHT they were married to according to the laws of Man was NOT their husband (or wife).

...I'm not preaching any of this stuff. I have no videos or writings about it. I'm simply trying to understand something that is beyond what we have previously understood. I don't think God is honoring (acknowledging and submitting to and considering Holy) the laws and covenants of Man nearly as much as we think. Nor is He honoring commitments that we have made that were outside His will in the first place.

Marriage is ONLY holy when it is inside God's will and initiated by Him. Otherwise it is just a tax-savings plan and should be called a civil union or something. I'm not inventing this, I'm just trying to get my head around ALL the dozens and dozens of bits of data – and the things in the Word that don't line up with what you are asserting. Is THIS enough reason to divide the body?

fellowshipofthemartyrs.com/response_to_freda.htm.

[Mary]

(12-05-2009 06:18 PM)Vic Wrote:   I must admit that I have been hoping that Chris Evans, on here using his normal nic of rancherforchrist, would enter into dialogue on some of the threads I started recently. The goal for me was to dialogue and allow him to express his beliefs openly so that exposing him would be validated very easily by his own words on record on this forum. While some of his statements and posts are likely troubling some readers, who he is, is far more than what is being said here, or from his current website, and blog.

I have spent some time researching Chris Evans and his associations, and please note, that Ed J who was banned recently for being a kabbalist, false prophet and so on, has joined Chris Evans as a member of his website organization. Birds of a feather really do flock together, and it is interesting seeing who does agree with Chris' doctrine.

Chris Evans listens to a voice that he believes is God and which allows him to and tells him to sin, overturn Scriptures, take away from and add to the Word of God.

He is a false prophet and heretic; a wolf in sheep's clothing, although there isn't much sheep skin on him. He's pretty obvious as a deception, if one abides the Word of God as the standard of Truth.

Before I go further, I want to make it clear that I have researched source documents, as well as tracked eyewitness accounts which are corroborated by others involved. I will be providing source documentation, and please note, this is not an endorsement of those sources or their beliefs. There is documentation on the internet from those who have been directly involved with Chris Evans and Doug Perry and their organisation, Fellowship of the Martyrs (FOTM), Church of Liberty and Liberty Disaster Relief, and a myriad of websites, YouTube, GodTube, Google, MySpace and LiveVideo documentation and such from the past. *I have some private emails which have provided some details, which I will not post as a specific source.

Normally I would do this research as a website article or series but because Chris Evans is a temporary member here, I decided to post here. It will come in sections and may take a few days to get it all posted. Thank you for your patience.

Thank you Vic for your boldness to expose this evil.
Proverbs 19 vs 5 "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape."

[Vic]

Chris Evans as rancherforchrist introduced himself as a "missionary for 4 years" and and also as being homeless.

He said

Quote:I am not on anyone's payroll, I don't get paid for ministering the gospel. I haven't been on anyone's payroll since the Lord called me out. The Lord called me to a walk of faith. Sometimes the Lord gives me money and resources through sources that I don't even know. Other times the Lord has me do a little temporary contract work and earn money. I don't really have an income. Most often the Lord has me spend most of what I receive on the needs of others...

Quote: (I have never drawn a salary or pay for doing the work that God called me to), God has greatly increased my faith and maturity through my total dependence on Him for all my needs. Yes, there have been times that I have even lived on the streets...I have not had a home of my own for about 4 years. I have been in so many churches and other such organizations, where people have asked where I live. When I tell them that I am homeless, many shy away from me. Kinda makes one
wonder if Jesus in the flesh, would be welcome in the churches today?...

Quote:...How is it not glorifying to God, that He could take a wicked, wretched, successful man like I was, and turn me into a man that would live on the streets, eat out of garbage cans and do whatever else for sake of Christ and His Gospel?

It needs to be understood that being homeless in Chris's scenario means not owning a home and not having one permanent residence. It does not mean that Chris Evans has been destitute, without food, clothing or shelter, as some might be given to think. In fact, he has been well taken care of having lived off of or with other associates, or used funds given by others who ended up in need while supporting Chris Evans, according to eye witness accounts. He has either roomed with others or lived in motels and while he claims he is homeless repeatedly on this forum, on his own youtube roughly 3 weeks ago he said that we was residing at a place called New Beginnings. Further, as was pointed out, on Chris's own website he said he lived with a "brother in Christ". The image of the word homeless leads many to think he is in fact destitute, when that is not the case. He was in fact living with a "Darren" until recently. The Mac laptop he claims was such a gift, while being "homeless", he obtained from a older teen named Andrew,who had been given it by his grandmother for college, and somehow Chris took possession of it.

He also has had the use of a vehicle, a Trooper, which he purchased with a loan from a former friend. He never repayed that money, instead declaring that God told him he didn't need to pay it back. The gentleman in question rejects Christianity because of this type of so called witness, which is not of Christ whatsoever.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing,but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Psa 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.

Luke 6:30-31 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

[Vic]

This is a portion of a historical timeline showing when Chris Evans joined Doug Perry at the Church of Liberty, and subsequent 'mission trips', financed by supporters, since 2006. Hardly the scenario implied by Chris Evans.

thechurchofliberty.com/liberty_update.htm
...December, 2005 - Chris Evans shows up
...January 1st, 2006 - Everything shifts into a higher gear. Some of the congregations and pastors are on board. Donations of stuff are pouring in and getting redirected to those in need. More volunteers are showing up. God is telling people to quit their jobs and volunteer and live on faith. Every day is an adventure! On Sunday, January 1st, a team drives around Liberty as directed, praying on specific spiritual strongholds and flushing out the bad stuff.

...July, 2006 - Chris Evans is sent to Ellensburg, Washington. Clare returns from Australia.

...September, 2006 - Doug loses his house and family. All part of the plan. God begins to indicate that a road trip is coming. The spiritual "reigns" of Liberty is handed over to two local pastors - both of whom experience MASSIVE warfare pretty much right away. At the end of September (Rosh Hashanah), Doug is in Branson and by divine appointment meets the gap-standers and prays for the city. The Lampstand of Branson gets lit. Finished the "Rain Down NOW, Lord!" book.

October, 2006 - Doug is sent out on a prayer walk (in the van) around the nation. Nixa gets a Lampstand. Prayer with Rockaway Beach. Finished the Red Dragon book

...December, 2006 - Pick up Chris Frith in Knoxville. Manchester, Kentucky gets a Lampstand. Prayer in Cincinnati, Columbus and in Amish country (Holmes County, Ohio). Prayer for Patterson, NJ with gap-stander. Back to Liberty in time for Christmas, then to Branson. New Year's eve with a beautiful "biker" church in Arkansas.

Chris heads home on New Year's Day.
...February, 2007 - Finished the "Dialogues with God" book and the revision of the "City Church" book. God's minivan breaks down in the desert in Oregon. God buys a newer, better one.
...We purchase the old Post Office in Mosby, Missouri and rename it the "Holy Ghost Office". It becomes the Mosby Outpost for Liberty Disaster Relief. Excelsior Springs is also added and gaining steam

thechurchofliberty.com/articles/elder_letter_feb_22.htm
...On October 31st of 2005, we believe that the Lampstand of the Church of Liberty was lit.

It should be noted that Chris and Doug had a falling out roughly between February and June of 2007. It is unclear if they are fully working together currently as Chris has not posted on their forum for awhile and started his other website. Must be difficult for the "two witnesses" to have a falling out or have each of their various voices---because they listen to more than one---tell them to do something different than the other...

Matthew 12:33-35 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

[sheep wrecked]

I also read Chris Evan's book. It was one of the most perverse and sacrilegious books I have ever read, due to the descriptions of his lust, molestations, and adulterous behavior - all cloaked in a religious setting. For someone who has promoted a relationship with Christ, I find nothing "redeeming" by reading this book. It is a hate filled evil presentation of what is supposed to be repentance for past actions, but instead is appalling and frightening with his gross explanations, horrible theologies interspersed throughout, and the elevation of the evil in his life as is pornographically revealed in the pages. The bottom line, according to Chris - is that there is no repentance for sin. It is not edifying reading.

What I found most tragic was the constant misapplication of Scripture and the total lack of and twisted facts that one would comprehend if they had actually read the Bible.

There is no clear testimony of God's forgiving grace. The blood of Christ is portrayed as a curse upon his head. The main content is that there is no forgiveness, but rather the wrath and curses of God under which all believers live and hope that some how God will have mercy on them. What is pictured is an angry vindictive Father who hates His children so much that He makes their lives a living hell. This is the god of Chris Evans.

[Mary]

and I read Chris' book - well the first few pages anyway, and then skimmed the rest. It is pornography disguised as confession.
Chris thinks that because he has been "the most wicked man on earth" God has chosen him to do and be someone special. He wears his wickedness like a badge of honour, and thinks he can do whatever he likes, and God will honour him. No way Chris - you have a false god.

[YYZ Skinhead]

(12-05-2009 08:32 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  There is no clear testimony of God's forgiving grace. The blood of Christ is portrayed as a curse upon his head. The main content is that there is no forgiveness, but rather the wrath and curses of God under which all believers live and hope that some how God will have mercy on them. What is pictured is an angry vindictive Father who hates His children so much that He makes their lives a living hell.

This kind of heresy made me afraid to go to sleep every night while I was attending an SDA school. I was afraid every night that God was coming, and that I wasn't ready, and I was going to hell.

[Vic]

I am going to take this time to do a bit of an evaluation of some things. Chris Evans has a very skewed and perverted view of God, salvation and Jesus Christ. In fact, forgiveness becomes almost a roll of the dice because of believing that all are under the curses of Deuteronomy 28. He believes that one has to be given the 'gift of repentance' and then they can pour repentance out on others. On the curses he says:

Quote:"...just in case you are under those curses. That’s the only way I know for someone to get free from them"

----the insurance clause

Quote:"...maybe He’ll have mercy and set you free even if you don’t believe you’re under them. After all, He understands that you’re under strong delusion because He is the one that put you there."

There is nothing about Christ making sinners free or His forgiveness, and our sins being removed as far as the east is from the west, meaning forgotten by God. Instead,

Quote:"...Maybe, just maybe, He’ll have mercy if you ask Him to. What harm can it do to ask, right?”

---its like a crap shoot--maybe you might win and get forgiveness and maybe you won't.

John 6:44-45 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Chris Evans appears to have zero understanding of salvation given by Christ, and being made a new creation in Him. His claimed living for the Lord is shown false by the wicked fruit and fulfilling the same lust and sexual drives that have controlled him since childhood. He used to do it out of lust of the flesh, now he does it for "God". He cannot honestly speak of being made free and clean in Christ because he never has been. He has the rhetoric at times, having been a preachers kid, but it rings hollow when followed with other statements.

1 Peter 4:1-4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2. That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4. Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

That is why on the forum and throughout his book and other writings, he uses the phrases:

Quote:"Lord Jesus, please give ______ whatever is good in me. Fill his/her cup pressed down, shaken together and running over with Jesus, even if I don’t get it back, even unto my own salvation, in the Name of Jesus, Amen.”

“.. I owe you my life and today I lay it down willingly for you. Lord Jesus, You are the only thing good in me. Please Lord, whatever I have in me that is good, please give it to __, even if I don’t get it back, even unto my own salvation, in the name of Jesus, amen.”

When rancherforchrist said this to Mary on the forum:

Quote:"Lord Jesus, thank You for Mary. Lord, please give her what she needs. Whatever Jesus I have in me, whatever treasures I have in heaven, please spend it all on her. It doesn't matter how much it costs me or how much it hurts me, please fill her up with Your Holy Spirit, pressed down, shaken together and running over, in the name if Jesus, amen."

---it was in fact Chris' attempt at cursing Mary. He and Doug Perry use these mantras, in their minds, as a blessing or a curse and part of a spiritual battle. Those who disagree with them are dealt with in this manner.

If someone offers to give up their salvation, then they don't have any knowledge of salvation. If someone does not know Jesus Christ, they have no salvation and they are going to hell. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ, then you know you belong to Him and that gift cannot be given away to someone else. Each must come to Christ individually. No one else can do it for us. No one, including Chris Evans can give salvation to someone else. That is a gift from God alone.

I can fully understand the concept of giving our all to Jesus. But, we are bought with a price--He already owns us and all we have. If we withhold anything of ourselves, He invariably teaches and corrects those things so that even our imaginations are brought into obedience to Him.

Chris Evans was never able to answer my specific questions nor provide Scripture to support his abberant beliefs. That means he hold to beliefs that can be shown are contrary to Scripture. When people don't answer a request for Scripture to prove themselves...it doesn't bode well on their beliefs. How can a claimed missionary, as rancherforchrist claims he is, not prove all things to the Word of God?

Quote:The concept that I am talking about is simple, but please allow me to lay a question on the table for you to consider first. When Jesus gave His life for us, did that mean that He was rejecting His throne or the Father or even His nature as God? Surely it didn't mean that He was rejecting any of that.

Chris' question was a redirection from the issue at hand. Jesus is the Son of God, God manifest in the flesh. He laid down His life willingly. We are not the same as or equal to Him. He is over all things. As already stated, You cannot give to God what already belongs to Him and is already in His care. i.e. your soul--if you belong to Jesus Christ. We don't have the power to give salvation 'back' or give it to others. It's based on a promise of God to those who believe Him and is fully received at the end of our faith. Because God said that is what will be. It's not in our hands to begin with. And we certainly have no control over anyone elses salvation, repentance or forgiveness that leads to salvation. Chris Evans and Doug Perry cannot dispense salvation, repentance or provide the required cleansing of sins...

What Chris Evans is trying to do is control the situation and God, by claiming he is giving back what God has given. Then wanting God to tell him what He wants him to do with it all--which means taking 'the gifts' back, that he claimed to have. That's not being humble or doing anything to honor God. Because He doesn't require that of us.

In fact on the issue of giving all the 'gifts' back to God---we see these results in the parable of the talents. The servant who did nothing with the talents but gave them back, was severely punished. But those that were good servants took the talents given them and used them and they were multiplied. When we present ourselves to God, and ask what He would have us do, He provides the opportunities, necessities and all abilities to accomplish His tasks. He doesn't tell us to give it all back and then redundantly ask Him what He wants us to do. If we are called to do something--He is already directing our thoughts and steps and providing what we need.

That's what walking with and in Christ is about.

Psa 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

Psalms 119:104-105 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105. NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Chris Evans claims to grab onto Jesus===that isn't resting in Him.

We aren't supposed to hold onto Christ, because then it is about us doing, instead of resting in Him-and Christ doing. He holds onto us. He gives us the faith and desire to follow Him. It's about loving Christ and allowing Him to use us in whatever capacity He wants us-for that day, or week or year ---and yet throughout Chris' posts he speaks of it all being about Jesus. But, it all focuses on what Chris claims to do, what Chris gives, Chris' claim of loving others, Chris giving back....you know what. When we allow Christ to work through us...it's Him who shines through...His love for others...His compassion....His charity and care for others....yet when I read Chris Evans' stuff....it is not about Christ, even when He is occassionally mentioned.

Quote:My laying down all, even my salvation, at the feet of Jesus is not rejection of Him or His gift to me. I lay my salvation at His feet because I love Him and I trust Him. I trust that He will always do what is best for me and most glorious for Him.

As I stated there is zero Scripture to support this concept and it becomes again about Chris doing--something that belongs to Christ in the first place. You can reject salvation, but you can't lay it at Christ's feet. It belong's to God to give. We have the promise and hope of salvation, because of Jesus Christ, who gave His life once, for all..

1 Thessalonians 5:8-10 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10. Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Revelation 7:9-12 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10. And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their
faces, and worshipped God, 12. Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Quote:I simply believe that All means All, and that is how I try to live my life for Jesus. I don't want to try and hold anything out of His reach. I don't want to hold on to anything, because if my hands are full of things that I'm holding on to, it makes it real hard to embrace Jesus. I want my hands open wide, and I receive all that He has for me. Then I lay it all back at His feet again and I say, "ok Lord, thanks for everything that You have given me. Now please Lord, tell me what you want me to do with what You've given me, because it all belongs to You."

If we have sought God's will, and He has answered and given direction and then provided all we need, I wonder how God views Chris saying he gives it all back to Him and then says, hey thanks, now what do want me to do with all that--oh and if you really want me to use it, I'll take it back and use it." Chris talks about the action of receiving it with open hands--but it's given by the Holy Spirit--as HE wills. Chris is again claiming control of what has been given and then asking the redundant question.

It's not Biblical or Chris Evans would have been able to back the practice up with Scripture.

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, ...

Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

There is nothing in these many verses that suggests giving salvation or the gifts of the Holy Spirit back.

Both Chris Evans and Doug Perry speak about the Bride being filthy and unclean---which is a charismatic mantra--but Christ makes us clean. We have no righteousness in ourselves and until we are with Him for eternity, we are in corrupt bodies. It's not dependent on who we are able to be, but Christ alone.