Left Behind and the Pre's vs the Post's

[Rose of Shushan]

taken from Strong's

G5278
ὑπομένω
hupomenō
hoop-om-en'-o
From G5259 and G3306; to stay under (behind), that is, remain; figuratively to undergo, that is, bear (trials), have fortitude, persevere: - abide, endure, (take) patient (-ly), suffer, tarry behind.

[sheep wrecked]

(12-14-2009 01:00 PM)Rahab Wrote:  

(05-19-2009 04:09 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  I wanted to start a thread on the Left Behind franchise and what the pre-trib and post-trib factions think of it, but I have zero idea under which sub-forum to post it. (I couldn't believe the quantity of Left Behind paraphernalia--books, movies, spinoffs et cetera--that I found listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind
I wish I could recall the verse about with feigned words making merchandise of believers.)

Interesting that Jesus said: But he that "is left behind" shall be saved."

Matthew 10:22 reads "But he that ENDURETH to the end shall be saved".

The word "endureth" is "Hupomeno" Stong's Concordance, Greek, entry # 5278. It means to "tarry behind".

That is VERY interesting Thanx for bringing that one up and thanx to Rose for posting the Strong's definition

[Mark]

So, when Christ takes all the believers, what happens in the 1000 year reign on earth? Everyone else will be gone then? Still confused on the subject.

[sheep wrecked]

(12-15-2009 01:26 PM)Mark Wrote:  So, when Christ takes all the believers, what happens in the 1000 year reign on earth? Everyone else will be gone then? Still confused on the subject.

Jesus doesn't take the believers anywhere. As I have shown you several times, we rise in the air and are changed in the twinkling of an eye and are with the Lord forever. He sets up His Kingdom here. The thousand year reign is allegorical, not literal - no one knows what it means. We can make some guesses based on human wisdom, but it is God's plan and He's not sharing it with anyone - HALLELUJAH!

You don't need to be confused Mark. What is important is living for Christ and resting in the fact that God has the end all worked out. If one is in Christ, then one's eternity is with Him, no matter what happens in the entire scope of things. Methinks you are bit over zealous or overworked up on this topic. No one knows how it's all going to work out but God

[Mark]

You're right. Sometimes I tend to overanalyze things and get myself more confused than I need to.
Anyway, I understand what you are saying regarding Christ's return and the taking away of the saints. Thanks for the clarification and the patience while I ask those crazy questions.

[sheep wrecked]

(12-15-2009 02:37 PM)Mark Wrote:  You're right. Sometimes I tend to overanalyze things and get myself more confused than I need to.
Anyway, I understand what you are saying regarding Christ's return and the taking away of the saints. Thanks for the clarification and the patience while I ask those crazy questions.

Asking questions is not a bad thing It's just that so many are really "caught up" [excuse the pun ] into many doctrines and teachings of men instead of just running the race towards Christ. The pre-trib rapture theory is confusing and contradictory - so it's not going to make much sense when you start digging into the details and comparing teachings - which should be an obvious red flag

[Mark]

Another question-

From Ezekiel 39:29


Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


So, we will be around for the war against Israel? That will happen before the rapture? Because as stated previously, God is going to remove His spirit from the earth. So in the above passage, He is pouring His spirit on Israel which would mean that this is prior to the taking away of His spirit, correct? See where some confusion comes in? Some say yes, some say no. I'm merely trying to understand what God's Word says.

[Rose of Shushan]

Another question-

Quote:From Ezekiel 39:29


Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


So, we will be around for the war against Israel? That will happen before the rapture? Because as stated previously, God is going to remove His spirit from the earth. So in the above passage, He is pouring His spirit on Israel which would mean that this is prior to the taking away of His spirit, correct? See where some confusion comes in? Some say yes, some say no. I'm merely trying to understand what God's Word says.

I see that verse as having already been fulfilled.When God was speaking to Ezekiel,the prophet was captive in Babylon.But we know in retrospect that the captivity lasted 40 years and then they returned.As did also all those descendants of the Assyrian captivity, (since the regions to which they were exiled to later came under the dominion of the Babylonians) that wished to do so.They came back as one people Israel, as we read in Ezra and Nehemiah and never again did they have a Davidic king,only Jesus.Indeed Zechariah,who came after Ezekiel, predicted that the one to come would be both King and Priest.Something impossible under Sinai Law.
Mark I dont see where Scripture predicts a future war for Israel.

[Mark]

But all the nations mentioned did not attack Israel as prophecied nor did the terrible aftermath (the burning of the weapons, bodies, etc.) ever happen. Sounds like something to come, not that already has happened. I don't know, just reading and trying to understand it. Thanks for your input. This is very informative and interesting getting other people's take on Scripture.

[sheep wrecked]

(12-20-2009 08:32 AM)Mark Wrote:  But all the nations mentioned did not attack Israel as prophecied nor did the terrible aftermath (the burning of the weapons, bodies, etc.) ever happen. Sounds like something to come, not that already has happened. I don't know, just reading and trying to understand it. Thanks for your input. This is very informative and interesting getting other people's take on Scripture.

I think the context of Ezekiel 39 is a blend of fulfillment - partially in Christ when He showed mercy on the "whole house of Israel" through His death and resurrection, reconciling them to God. Then I see references to the final judgment for the heathen [all those who are unbelievers] when Christ returns and they are cast into eternal torment into the lake of fire.

I tend to see OT Scripture fulfilled more spiritually, than literally. Ezekiel is a very allegorical book - one vision after another which were never interpreted. Our "clue" is that Jesus said the Law and Prophets were fulfilled in Him.