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Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
04-20-2011, 09:38 AM
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I read most if not all of the post made on this topic, and it seems that most of you go with the thought that the law is done away with? So are we saying that the Law of Moses is done away with or are we saying something else?
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04-20-2011, 09:58 AM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
(12-14-2008 12:36 PM)aahavaa Wrote:  In the New Covenant we see that God secures the obedience by writing his Laws in our hearts. It is the Holy spirit in us that causes us to obey ,because we want to and it becomes part of our nature .
Is it the Torah of Sinai that we obey?
Abraham obeyed Gods laws, statues and commandments yet the Laws of Sinai hadn’t been given yet. In same way I observe the words of Jesus which were the words God gave him to give to us. So I am observing his Laws just as Abraham did and neither I nor Abraham are bound to the laws at Sinai.

Very well said. This is an excellent description of the New Covenant.
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04-20-2011, 11:26 AM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
(04-19-2011 05:48 PM)Mary Wrote:  Hi Sari,

It would be easy to pick out many verses and make a "list" . This may satisfy many people who like to "tick off" achievements and feel they have "done" the right thing. But the law of Christ cannot be separated from salvation - His grace: it is freedom and even the freedom to fail. It cannot be separated from His Spirit: without His Spirit we cannot live the Law of Christ.

Tell me what you discern from 1 Peter chapter 4:


Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Our walk with Him is in spirit, and we are renewed by the holy spirit we've received. When we walk in spirit, the spirit within reveals to us our sinful nature, and helps us to overcome it. As we progress in our spiritual walks the spirit grows, and produces fruits of righteousness. If we suffer for Christ in our spiritual walk with Him we can rejoice because these sufferings were not brought us by the consequences of our actions through unrighteous works of the flesh.

When I was 14 years old, I'd been saved for about 9 years. I began to struggle with feelings of uncertainty about my salvation and walk with God. One night as I was alone in my room, I cryied out to God in prayer. I prayed, I don't know where am God, and I don't even know if I'm truly saved. At that very moment I felt and heard the answer in my spirit, "Salvation is in your heart."
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04-20-2011, 11:41 AM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven, that person is My brother and sister and mother (Matthew 12:50)
Jesus answered them, "My teaching isn't Mine but is from the One who sent Me. If anyone wants to do His will, he will understand whether the teaching is from God or if I am speaking on My own.
(John 7:16-18)

I mention these two verses to help you see that Jesus doctrine was very much the Torah’s doctrine and nothing else. Did he elaborate on Torah to get people to see the intent? Yes, but he did not establish his own doctrine. He commonly used the phrase “you’ve heard” but I say”. Why did he do this? Well when we understand that the Jewish tradition was passed down, which they call torah too, better known as the Talmud or rabbinical traditions, it begins to make all of this make sense. Jesus was correcting the rabbinical interpretation on some laws and giving deeper insight to others.

I would go as far to say that it’s a fact that Jesus could not have been teaching another law. Especially because doing so would have disqualified him as being the Messiah. If he began to teach something different from the father (Torah) then he is now pulling people away from the father and to his own will separate from the fathers will. We know he couldn’t do that because it’s not in the prophets. Prophecy does not allow him to do such a thing, and (2) he told us much of the same thing that we read in
Matthew 5:17-19 in Luke 16:17

But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the law to drop out.

What prophecy does allow is the following
Isaiah 42:21
The LORD was pleased, because of His righteousness,
to magnify [His] instruction (torah) and make it glorious.

I put the (torah) in there because that is what it means “instructions from God”.
We can even see his instructions being the one that plays a role in the end times.

- those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony about Jesus.
( Revelations 12:21)
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04-21-2011, 08:39 AM (This post was last modified: 04-21-2011 08:41 AM by Rose of Shushan.)
Post: #35
RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
Quote:So are we saying that the Law of Moses is done away with or are we saying something else?
Yes I say that the Law of Moses is no longer binding.Law of Sinai was the old covenant, a shadow of the reality and sacrifices of animals. The New Covenant of Christ is the reality, it was His blood that was shed and sacrifices are spiritual.

Quote:I mention these two verses to help you see that Jesus doctrine was very much the Torah’s doctrine and nothing else. Did he elaborate on Torah to get people to see the intent? Yes, but he did not establish his own doctrine.

He commonly used the phrase “you’ve heard” but I say”. Why did he do this? Well when we understand that the Jewish tradition was passed down, which they call torah too, better known as the Talmud or rabbinical traditions, it begins to make all of this make sense. Jesus was correcting the rabbinical interpretation on some laws and giving deeper insight to others.

For one, the Talmud had not been invented yet but there was the tradition of the elders which is what you may have been really meaning to say.
The thing is there are times when Jesus calls them out for neglecting or even breaking Gods laws in favour of their traditions.However in many instances He overturns Moses Law altogether.


Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.


Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.



Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


The Old Covenant permitted divorce
Yet to us Christians divorce is only allowed in the case of fornication and whoever marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery.This was not so in the Old Covenant.

There is one place that we could say that Jesus was referring to tradition but if we look at the passage a bit closer we see that that is not the case

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?


There Christ could have said to them something that referred to their traditions but instead he gives an explanation of why He broke it(so to speak) and why He did not have to abide by that law or that it didn't apply to him.
In the first case Christ explains that David also transgressed the law at one time and why it was justified.Then Christ explains that just as the high priests appeared to break the law by working on the Sabbath since that service was mandated by God and was in service to God that they hadn't really transgressed anything.As Christ said the Sabbath was made for man,not man for the Sabbath.

Many messianics say that Jesus never broke the Torah well to that I say that although He appeared to break it the law didn't really apply to Him because being the Son of God and divine it does not really apply to Him in the sense that it would any other orfinary Israelite.Hope that makes sense :D

He came to bring salvation..a salvation that the Law of Moses could not give.The Law of Moses did not guarantee eternal life to anyone. Only Christ can give us that

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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04-21-2011, 11:48 AM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
(04-21-2011 08:39 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  
Quote:So are we saying that the Law of Moses is done away with or are we saying something else?
Yes I say that the Law of Moses is no longer binding.Law of Sinai was the old covenant, a shadow of the reality and sacrifices of animals. The New Covenant of Christ is the reality, it was His blood that was shed and sacrifices are spiritual.

Hey Rose, I wanted to respond to what you’re saying since you’ve taken time to provide a very detailed response.

The Law of Moses not only served as a shadow of things to come before Christ, but it also serves as a shadow of things to come in the last of last days. Given the loads of scripture you’ve provided I’m more than sure you’re aware of the many end time prophecies that have not been fulfilled according to the prophets, let alone the nations being brought back together again. Scripture in prophecy foretells that this will have to take place in order for the law to officially be done away with. This is only if we accept what Jesus tells us plainly in the gospels.

On the note of the new covenant being made of spiritual sacrifices that started with the resurrection of Christ. There have always been sacrifices spiritually made to Yah even in the old covenant. There are more but I’m providing two to keep this response short as possible.

Psalms 52:17
The sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit.
God, You will not despise a broken and humbled heart.

Psalms 141:2
May my prayer be set before You as incense,
the raising of my hands as the evening offering

Before moving to the next point you raise I want to support what I’m saying about the law not being done away with completely the way most assume. Before I even go into this I want to make a small note for you, and whoever is reading. We witness those that had a better revelation of Christ, then we probably would ever have given the fact that they walked with him (literally), and played a role in setting the foundation, or understanding of who he is for all those that who would follow. These disciples were so privilege that they not only saw him die on a cross and witnessed him raised from the dead, but they also were blessed to walk with him for an additional 40 days tills his final appearance we see in Acts 2. This becomes very startling when we consider that Jesus walked with them for 40 days leading to a high Sabbath (feast day) Unleavened bread, yet he did not stop them from preparing their homes for the feast. Nor did he tell them that he was their first fruit so they don’t need to observe it anymore because the comforter is coming. He knew he was the reality of these feast, but we have no scripture discouraging them from keeping it. Lev 23:2 tell us that these feast are “HIS” meaning that they are attached to him. So when I read passages like the one found in Col 2:17 and understand all the feast have not been fulfilled, I truly get why we are encourage to move forward in these acts.

Col 2:17
These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is the Messiah.

Understanding that he is the substance of the things to come makes this make sense even more when we understand that his feast actually sets-up the end time events i.e., trumpets tabernacles, and day of atonement. Starts to make sense as to why they all pertain to him.
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Quote:I mention these two verses to help you see that Jesus doctrine was very much the Torah’s doctrine and nothing else. Did he elaborate on Torah to get people to see the intent? Yes, but he did not establish his own doctrine.

He commonly used the phrase “you’ve heard” but I say”. Why did he do this? Well when we understand that the Jewish tradition was passed down, which they call torah too, better known as the Talmud or rabbinical traditions, it begins to make all of this make sense. Jesus was correcting the rabbinical interpretation on some laws and giving deeper insight to others.

For one, the Talmud had not been invented yet but there was the tradition of the elders which is what you may have been really meaning to say.
The thing is there are times when Jesus calls them out for neglecting or even breaking Gods laws in favour of their traditions.However in many instances He overturns Moses Law altogether.

I think I spoke clearly about my intentions of what I meant to say. I clearly stated “Talmud or rabbinical traditions,” which can easily be identified as the elders traditions, sense they were rabbis, Pharisee’s, or any other high minded name you’d like to link to them. On your point of Jesus overturning Moses law altogether. I know why you’re saying this, but I don’t think you are fully grasping what you’re teaching Jesus was living under the law (clearly) during his walk of life, I don’t think that’s a debatable topic. So if you are telling me he overturned Moses law, which I take to mean that he over ruled it, threw it to the side and said it doesn’t matter… You are making our Messiah a sinner.

Now if you want to stick to scripture as far as what the father told us he would come and do which is to Magnify and make the torah honorable ( Isaiah 42:21) I agree.
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Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.


Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.



Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.



Rose, I don’t oppose any of this. It all fits into the category of making torah honorable by displaying the intent behind the laws. By no means do any of these scriptures replace Torah. Furthermore, you started at verse 33. Ironically before he goes into this spill, he specifically tells you himself. He, Jesus the Messiah said.

Matthew 5:17-18
"Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished.

This is an important piece of information to understand before moving into the portion of scripture you’ve provided. He didn’t say until “all the law containing to me”, but he said all the prophets have been fulfilled. This means until “ALL” have been complete, meaning we are no longer here looking for him because we will be with him. There is no looking for him to come back when “all is fulfilled” because all things containing to us in his plan will be no more. In other words this takes place after all the ugly stuff in the book of Revelations.

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Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.



The Old Covenant permitted divorce
Yet to us Christians divorce is only allowed in the case of fornication and whoever marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery. This was not so in the Old Covenant.

You’ve answered your own question or statement in (verse 8). Moses didn’t do this out of will he suffered them. Jesus himself tells you what the will and law were from the beginning, and explains it according to the law. We would need to get into the scriptures to understand why this took place, but in so many ways I’ll call it a form of grace in Torah. So lets just pick on this topic without picking on the topic.

Lev 19:12
You must not swear falsely by My name, profaning the name of your God; I am the LORD.
Numbers 30:2
When a man makes a vow to the LORD or swears an oath to put himself under an obligation, he must not break his word; he must do whatever he has promised

I offer these two passages in hopes that we agree marriage was a vow. Indirectly we see that this vow (any vow) was to be honored with good intent, and yes the story starts to thicken from there, which may be worth another thread concerning why the change for the vow of marriage.


Quote:There is one place that we could say that Jesus was referring to tradition but if we look at the passage a bit closer we see that that is not the case[/color][/b]
Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

There Christ could have said to them something that referred to their traditions but instead he gives an explanation of why He broke it(so to speak) and why He did not have to abide by that law or that it didn't apply to him.
In the first case Christ explains that David also transgressed the law at one time and why it was justified.Then Christ explains that just as the high priests appeared to break the law by working on the Sabbath since that service was mandated by God and was in service to God that they hadn't really transgressed anything. As Christ said the Sabbath was made for man,not man for the Sabbath.

Considering what you’ve just stated, you’re telling me that Jesus explained to them that it was okay for the priest to eat this food and he relates his point to scripture through David. In all honesty, this does not require a response you pretty much answered your own question, and I don’t mean to come across sarcastic, but you honestly did.

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Many messianics say that Jesus never broke the Torah well to that I say that although He appeared to break it the law didn't really apply to Him because being the Son of God and divine it does not really apply to Him in the sense that it would any other orfinary Israelite.Hope that makes sense :D
Can you please provide me with a scripture that says he did not have to keep the law because it did not apply to him?




Until you present a passage explaining what you believe I will state that I believe he couldn’t break something that he is.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning

It is his keeping of the law that makes him a perfect sacrifice. If he presented himself with any form of blemish then we may as well go back and sacrifice goats looking for the Messiah that can present themselves with out spot or wrinkle. This is the very reason why he is mentioned more than 29 times as the lamb of Yah in the book of Revelation.
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04-21-2011, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 04-21-2011 03:33 PM by Ne'arYah.)
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
I wanted to add one small point that is totally off-topic. I by no means have claimed that I was a messianic believer. I don't dismiss the term, but I do not care for titles when we are all to be one in faith.

I recently had to go to court for jury duty, and was required to fill-out a form that asked for my religion. Being puzzled and not knowing what to call myself I simply wrote down "Ben Yisra'el". Though this may seem childish and very small of me I really believe this should be what we all are to be called... I don't know maybe we should be called the set-apart, or maybe saints, or something. I don't like titles that begin to give people pre-conceived notions like messianic, Calvinist, or Armenian. I am guilty of assuming certain things about groups which makes me tend to not focus on what the person is saying, but overall lump them into what they believe, or I guess I should say how they believe.

I guess to follow-up on what I wrote it would be wise to explain the law changing and all those wonderful things contained in Hebrews, Galatians, Romans, and more. Maybe I'll have time to post it for tomorrow.
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04-21-2011, 05:53 PM (This post was last modified: 04-21-2011 05:56 PM by Rose of Shushan.)
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
Quote:The Law of Moses not only served as a shadow of things to come before Christ, but it also serves as a shadow of things to come in the last of last days.
Can you show me Scripture which supports that the Law of Moses was a shadow of things to come in the last days?

Quote:Given the loads of scripture you’ve provided I’m more than sure you’re aware of the many end time prophecies that have not been fulfilled according to the prophets, let alone the nations being brought back together again. Scripture in prophecy foretells that this will have to take place in order for the law to officially be done away with. This is only if we accept what Jesus tells us plainly in the gospels.

I am of the view that very little of the prophets,if any, remain to be fulfilled.We have some threads that deal with this topic and I'll see if I can find some of them for you to save myself retyping everything out.

As to the where Matthew 5:17-18 says

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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It is referring there to both the law and prophets in respect of endorsing their validity.He wasn’t to put aside the Prophets or Law as irrelevant or go against them.He was the fulfillment of what the two had pointed to.
In verse eighteen we see that the Law (note He says just law not law and prophets) wil pass away and this would be once what they pointed to was fulfilled.Once Christ came suffered ,died and resurrected they were fulfilled.



Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it was fit for Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.



Nearyah if we really were bound to the laws of Moses do you not think God would have provided a way of keeping them…ie retained the priesthood Temple etc.If we were really bound then all of us would be in sin for so many jots and titles that we'd be missing.

Yet another point, is Jesus not affirming there in the Matthew verse the word of God as standing forever?
Jeremiah who promised a "new " covenant " (because the old one Israel broke) is as much a part of what Jesus affirmed .So to me that verse cannot be used to say that we are still under Mosaic covenant and law. Jesus didn’t say just the Law, he said the Law and the Prophets, which include Jeremiah and his promise to make a New Covenant.
If we say that the Mosaic Laws and covenant will always be in force how does Jeremiahs prophecy get fulfilled?
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04-21-2011, 06:09 PM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
Quote:Considering what you’ve just stated, you’re telling me that Jesus explained to them that it was okay for the priest to eat this food and he relates his point to scripture through David. In all honesty, this does not require a response you pretty much answered your own question, and I don’t mean to come across sarcastic, but you honestly did.

I think you didn't understand what I meant.I didn't say that Jesus explained to them that it was okay for the priest to eat his food at all, that doesn't even make sense.
Jesus was referring to the time that David and his companions ate the showbread that according to the Law could only be eaten by the priests.David thus broke the Torah according to the letter of the Law.
And how did I answer my own question there if I hadn't asked one ?89
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04-21-2011, 07:19 PM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
I was thinking that we might gain more understanding of how the Law of Christ replaced/annulled the Law of Moses by examining the story Jesus gave of the Good Samaritan, and the context in which he told it:

Luke 10: 22 - 37

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Phillipians 4:23 "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
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