Trinity, Oneness and The Persons of the Godhead

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(01-16-2009 06:36 PM)Hope Secure Wrote:  Yes it was http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/bo...rinity.htm

A 10 point outline on Wht Difference Does the Doctrine of the Trinity Make[/size]

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Hi again, please go to the very bottom of the above page to find the 10 point outline on What Difference Does the Doctrine of the Trinity Make

Thanx for the link

I find that those 10 "differences" have a few problems. The rest of the article is not too bad considering the somewhat clinical approach.

I was also puzzled by his use of "Yahweh", as it is a made up name for God, and not even proper Hebrew. It sort of discredits his presentation, in my opinion. see this article:

http://www.seekgod.ca/htname.htm

Here are the points that I question:

Quote:D. Prayer: We pray to the Father through the Son, and also pray to the Son directly, in the Spirit: John 14:13-14; Eph. 2:18; etc.

No where in the NT does it say to pray to the Son directly. The John 14 text does not say to pray to Jesus, it is referring to praying to God in the Name of Jesus. The Eph 2 text is referring to the Spirit praying for us as we see in Romans 8. Jesus taught us to pray: Our Father in Heaven, just as He did

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 And he that searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Quote:F. Love: The love among the three persons is the basis and model for our love for one another: John 17:26.

Joh 17:26 And I have declared to them your name, and will declare it: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Does that verse really say what the author states?

Quote:G. Unity: The unity of the three persons is the basis and model for the unity of the church: John 17:21-23.

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, and have loved them, as you have loved me.

hmmmm ........ I don't see that either - am I dense?

Quote:H. Humility: As the persons of the Trinity seek the glory of each other, so we should seek the interests of others above our own: Phil. 2:5-11; John 16:13-14.

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.
Phi 2:9 Why God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phi 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Joh 16:13 However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it to you.

This conclusion bothers me as well - does God "seek Glory of Himself"? ouchies .........