Can someone claim to be a prophet and...

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(02-04-2009 12:12 AM)strefanash Wrote:  the answer is NO. Thank God we are not under the LAW wherebyt we must stone them, but the answer stil stands as NO.

AS for prophets in training (ie getting something wrong) i might admit the possibility, but if so NOONE in that position is able or entitled to go public. THEY ARE NOT READY

NOT untill he is sufficiently at rest in the Lord dare he speak THUS SAITH THEW LORD as a matter of ministry

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It's interesting that you say this because that is what charis teaches, but it's not Biblical. In the OT when God called a prophet, they spoke God's Words, which were truth. There was no trial and error - they were "not ready" either. A prophet is not trained - they utter the words of God ver battem. It doesn't take "practice".

The NT prophets also spoke the Word of God without training. Prophecy was a gift, not a career that one trained for. I don't think you can find anywhere in the Bible that someone had to "be ready". God specializes in using people that are unprepared and have no ability - that way, He gets all the glory.

Also, under the New Covenant we have better promises and the indwelt Holy Spirit. If the OT prophets spoke with 100% accuracy, now that we walk in the Spirit, God is going to be less correct? less able for people to hear accurately? need practice? :shocked:

Quote:I knw the verse in Hebrews you refer to, but I think the implication you draw is incorrect. St Paul listed the offices in the church in I Cor 12:28.

God gave to the church Apostles prophets pastors evangelist teachers etc.

There are no Apostles today - an apostle's qualifications are listed in Acts 1 - no one exists today that walked with Christ and witnessed Him firsthand - not sure how that is overlooked.

Prophets ...... hmmm - where are they? I don't see any true prophets of God. All I see are wanna be trainees who can't get the time of the day right, much less a "word from the Lord". Every single prophecy that I have read I can prove scripturally to be false. If there are prophets today, they are silent.

Evangelists. Do we need them? What were they in the NT? Why is there no instruction for this "career" choice? Are we not all evangelists who preach the Gospel to those that God places in our lives? Evangelists today are self appointed, denominationally trained and biased. Show me a world renown evangelist, and I will show you his heresy.

Pastors. They oversaw the gathering of believers. They did not teach. Pastors today are trained in their denominational systems. Can you trust them?

Teachers. Funny that Paul states that you have need that no one teach you because we have the Holy Spirit which leads us into all truth through the written Word. I am not saying that one cannot be taught, but I think the whole teacher thing is driven beyond reason as if they are spiritually superior. And through them, more people fall prey to deception than are led into truth. MY OPINION based on what I have observed. I am not saying that all teachers and pastors are "bad" people" But people are way too lazy to search out the Word for themselves and end up eating what is spoon-fed regardless if it is laced with poison.

Personally, based on what I read in the Word of God, one does not need the 5 fold offices any longer. I believe quite strongly that these offices were over seen by the Apostles of Christ. Since their demise, there is no one to judge these offices and without the authority of the Apostles, it's hit or miss who is of God and who is not. caveat emptor.