Shalom,
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(06-30-2009 12:48 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: (06-30-2009 12:43 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: (06-30-2009 11:49 AM)heb13-13 Wrote: Maybe I just didn't get it. I have been accused of being thick-headed once or twice in my life. But back then, (1979), I don't recall the Messianic Movement being like it is today. I may be wrong. I met and worshipped with Messianics in Jerusalem and on the Kibbutz (we had to be careful). I love the Hebraic songs, still do and I can enter in and worship God, easily. I was a very young Christian then, "wide eyed" and just overjoyed to be living in Israel. A lot of things may have gone unnoticed by me. Maybe God was protecting me
Rick, those Messianics were not trying to be something they aren't. The Messianics in the USA are about 95% gentiles trying to play the dress up Jewish game by taking on their practices and traditions to be more spiritual. They have no clue, or perhaps don't even care, that they are offending the Jewish people. They believe they have a superior understanding of what it means to be "real Jews" and many of them even believe they are really Jews by bloodline and rightfully "own" a piece of "The Land" [Israel] and are seeking to make "alliyah". There are plenty of scams out there for unwary ignorant Messianics [promoted by money hungry gentiles] who think that Israel is going to allow them to become citizens. They are in for a shock.
Back in 1979 there wasn't much of a Messianic movement in the states - I would say the last 10 years it has exploded. In my opinion, it's going to overwhelm the christian church in general here. I can see the signs of the infiltration of Jewish traditions by the boatload these days.
I have also seen some videos of true Israeli Messianics and they are nothing like what is in the states. To them it is real - they know the truth and live it as true Jewish converts, not fakes like there are here.
Sheep Wrecked,
I concur and think you are absolutely right! The Messianics I met were Sabras who put their faith in Yeshua. But, I never recall all this other baggage in their lives that I see today in the States. Obviously, Yeshua was more than enough for them.
Thanks for your response and I believe it helps clarify things.
I'm still not sure if this is working but anyway...
I'm Rabbi Stanley. I'm a Messianic Rabbi who's lived in Israel for 19 years and was raised in the Messianic Movement. My dad is also a Messianic Rabbi who's been in the movement for over 40 years now. I rarely go to discussion boards etc anymore but I thought maybe I could shed some light on this topic here. I'm not trying to brag etc by giving my background, I'm just trying to give an idea for those who care to listen so they can see where I'm coming from.
There's nothing wrong with Gentile Christians trying to become Messianic Jews just as in Judaism there is nothing wrong with Gentiles converting to Judaism. Gentiles have been converting to Judaism since Abraham. Nothing on this matter changed when Yeshua came. In my opinion, all Gentile Believers in Yeshua will one day be Messianic anyway so why not start keeping His Holy Laws now? I know there are Messianics out there who do not feel that Gentiles are supposed to keep the same laws as Jewish Believers are supposed to keep. This is an error however. I don't have much time but I would suggest that there are not 2 Torahs, one for the Gentiles and one for the Jews. We will all be keeping the same Laws during the Last Days. Convert now and get closer to G-d now, there's no need to wait whether you are born a Jew or not. Thanks for your time.
(07-03-2011 04:51 PM)Rap_Rabbi Wrote: Shalom,
I'm going to test this first and make sure I understand how to post here.
Testing to see how to post
(06-30-2009 12:48 PM)heb13-13 Wrote: (06-30-2009 12:43 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote: (06-30-2009 11:49 AM)heb13-13 Wrote: Maybe I just didn't get it. I have been accused of being thick-headed once or twice in my life. But back then, (1979), I don't recall the Messianic Movement being like it is today. I may be wrong. I met and worshipped with Messianics in Jerusalem and on the Kibbutz (we had to be careful). I love the Hebraic songs, still do and I can enter in and worship God, easily. I was a very young Christian then, "wide eyed" and just overjoyed to be living in Israel. A lot of things may have gone unnoticed by me. Maybe God was protecting me
Rick, those Messianics were not trying to be something they aren't. The Messianics in the USA are about 95% gentiles trying to play the dress up Jewish game by taking on their practices and traditions to be more spiritual. They have no clue, or perhaps don't even care, that they are offending the Jewish people. They believe they have a superior understanding of what it means to be "real Jews" and many of them even believe they are really Jews by bloodline and rightfully "own" a piece of "The Land" [Israel] and are seeking to make "alliyah". There are plenty of scams out there for unwary ignorant Messianics [promoted by money hungry gentiles] who think that Israel is going to allow them to become citizens. They are in for a shock.
Back in 1979 there wasn't much of a Messianic movement in the states - I would say the last 10 years it has exploded. In my opinion, it's going to overwhelm the christian church in general here. I can see the signs of the infiltration of Jewish traditions by the boatload these days.
I have also seen some videos of true Israeli Messianics and they are nothing like what is in the states. To them it is real - they know the truth and live it as true Jewish converts, not fakes like there are here.
Sheep Wrecked,
I concur and think you are absolutely right! The Messianics I met were Sabras who put their faith in Yeshua. But, I never recall all this other baggage in their lives that I see today in the States. Obviously, Yeshua was more than enough for them.
Thanks for your response and I believe it helps clarify things.
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