RE: What's the difference between Hebrew Roots and Messianic?
(12-04-2011 01:25 PM)Vic Wrote:
(12-04-2011 01:07 PM)Mark_R Wrote:
(12-09-2008 03:21 PM)Vic Wrote: You've heard of Messianic Jews, Messianics, Hebrew Roots, Hebraic Roots, so what's the difference, or is there a difference?
So, since you thought it so good to delete my now post because I'm a "newbie" as you put it, and since I could of placed it in any of these area's, I will put it and more in here.
See, I'm not trying to be a hater, unlike I see so much hate going on here. You and others here have wasted soooo much time and energy being critical and hateful on the so called Hebrew roots people. I notice when I read what you have to say, about their believe, is how you ever so slightly change a few things in order to make your points. Why is it in your heart to want to hurt people and cause so much strife? You all act like you have everything all figured out,and your way and your religion is the only way to believe. And that my friend is completely untrue. Our God is a loving caring understanding Father. HE sees the heart of us all and knows the heart of us all. And HE is the only being that can know the heart of Man. Have the problem with Christianity is just the very thing going on on this forum. Self righteousness, and judgment on others. I mean I'm sure your gonna delete this "reply" also, but, as i had said earlyer .
I just have to say that I've read alot of your posts and topics and It appears that your main objective to cause division and discontent. Adonai is the God of love and peace If HE is in you then you would not make it your your mission to be causing Division and grief. Just because you don't agree with everything these teachers say, does not make them the anti-Christ. You are not the judge and have no right to so seriously judge them the way you do. No man knows the heart except for the Father.
To say that because someone Honors Adonai by keeping the feast's the best they can or to keep the commandments Of YHWH, that they are completly wrong, is just ludicrous. And then to think that it may be better to keep the clearly pagan feast's of Christmas and Easter? That they are more in line with our King, then the real Feast's, is again, ludicrous. I pray that you would stop being so critical of other's and maybe just focus on being the best you can be for the sake of the work done on the cross for us all. Remember That Yeshua said he is the way,truth and life. And in psalms 119:142 it clearly says that the "Torah is Truth". Since HE was the living walking breathing "word or Torah" then why would he make void himself? You made a comment that the commandments were nailed to the cross. I say that your right, the Law, Torah, commandments, the Word, however you want say it, were indeed nailed to the cross. And was also resurrected. So therefore HE and all he represented now still lives. So, by no means is the Torah dead and gone. For one thing the very word "law" is wrong, it actually means Torah, which really means "instruction", as in the instruction of our Loving, caring and almighty Father. And HE lovingly gave us all those instructions to live by so we could live by faith and belief in his ways. If you want to put it in a very simple way you could put it like this. Adonai is the Lord of his house and if you want to live in the father's house then you need to follow the rules of HIS house. And if you think you can just cast aside the Father's rules of the house, and HE will let you do that but, Your gonna be tossed out of HIS house. If you by any means think that The Father does not have rules for being in HIS house and remaining in HIS house, then you are sadly mistaken and obviously wrong. So please why not try to share the perfect love of Our most Awesome and Great King. And don't try to be the judge of other people's Faith and Love for the Father's house.
Which part of my PM to you did you not understand Mark, concerning why your thread was deleted? Did I not point you to the forum rules ALL MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO READ AND ABIDE? Did I not provide to you the complete rule concerning newbies NOT starting new threads? Did I not completely point out to you that rule applies to ALL MEMBERS?
And here you are trying to make it as if the content of that attempted thread was why it got deleted. As I stated very clearly to you, after quoting that rule from the link provided to you, and I quote from that PM,
"So in case you want to claim that the deletion of your thread "Division and murmuring" is due to 'censorship' or trying to hide the truth or some other absurd accusation, know that it is simply because you started a thread and newbies are not allowed to start threads according to the forum rules for ALL members. And if you wish to say something on this forum, the first thing you are requested to do is READ and ABIDE the forum rules. If you think the forum rules don't apply to you, then please do move on to some other forum. "
So yes Mark your thread was deleted , and it was not as you said with the veiled implications, "So, since you thought it so good to delete my now post because I'm a "newbie" as you put it,"
It was 'good' and right to delete that thread, only because you chose to be ignorant and not abide the forum rules right from the start. Just as we have seen so many others with the same attitude do.
Speaking of passing judgment on people, did you actually read your post?
I wasn't trying to make it out to be anything but what it was. I did not say you deleted my post unfairly. I said you deleted it because I'm a newbie. All the reasons you had given me for the deletion were quite long and very clear. Yes you are right I should have just replied instead of making a new post. No I didn't read all your rules for a newbie making a new post. So sorry to violate your rules. And I'm not passing a judgment on you I'm making a observation as a "newbie" on what I have read and what I see. Sorry your not open to a "Newbies" input as to what they might see and feel about your wonderful site. It sure wouldn't take much for someone other then your own group, to see how negitive and hateful so many of your topics are to people in the Hebrew roots groups. Maybe you could consider having a "newbie" area so, that you could actually see how new people might think and feel about what you have to say. I mean seriously, look how you lash out at just me for giving my opinions and not having "replied in the all so proper form. Clearly you don't like what I have to say since it probably doesn't line up with you views and opinions. Sorry I'm not as the same mind as you are about these things. But, all this hate and discontent is just incredible to me.