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What's the difference between Hebrew Roots and Messianic?
12-05-2011, 10:01 PM
Hi Mark and welcome to the forum!!
I'm really sorry that you have such a bad opinion of the forum and that you seem to see a lot of negative things.There are a lot of posters here and things can heated but that tends to happen on all discussion boards that involve religion.
I wanted to comment on some of the things you wrote.
Quote:Where is it that the "commandments and ordinances are nailed to the cross?
In Colossians 2 :14
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The word for handwriting in greek cheirographon and denotes obviously something handwritten and the word for ordinances is dogma
So what are the handwritten ordinances that are spoken of? It cannot be the dogmas of the Pharisees as you so called it as all they had then were the Tradition of the Elders.They hadn't been written down into what later became the Mishna, Talmud etc until later.In Ephesians we see that again the same concept reappears
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;
In Ephesians 2 :15 we see it speaks of the law (nomos) of commandments (entole) contained in ordinances (dogma).. so seems to be speaking of somethings written which led to an enmity or separation between jew and non jew.From the OT we know that this was the Law and its commandments and ordinances.
I don't understand you quote up there as the Torah/Law is made up of the commandments and ordinances.
Quote:How do you deal with this Quote from The Messiah Himself?
When Jesus says to keep His commanments He is talking about the commandments and instructions He gave while He walked the earth.You yourself posted one in that last Scripture regarding that we should love one another.
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