Mikveh

[sheep wrecked]

(06-29-2009 03:52 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  Can we say "chutzpah", LOL?

Quote:Since I am an old lady, the mikveh no longer applies to me...but yes
it is absolutely necessary to use it after being in a state of niddah.
They are also used before a wedding, for conversions, and some have
separate mikvaot for toiveling dishes and a very few select groups
have one for use of the preparation of a body for burial.

It is used amongst men too...some men go everyday, some
just before shabbas, others just before a holiday. In Jerusalem
one goes to the mikveh before ascending the Temple Mount.

Yes, those are traditions that I am familiar with - or least have read a little on.

Do you miss the mikveh? or was it just a necessary part of life? Did you ever wonder why it was required, or did you just always accept it as part of your obedience?

Quote:Yeah, that is pretty basic....I wonder if they don't know
or if they just choose to not do it because it isn't "convenient".
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I think Messy women would love to mikveh, but are prevented from it due to the availability and the understanding. So far, what I have observed, Messys do not grasp the mikveh concept, but try to force the word into their own practice of baptism assuming that it is similar - baptism is seen as pagan, mikveh is seen as holy. Even though they don't know the difference. It's not practical for a woman to go into a swimming pool every month, so I think they just skip it. The philosophy is that they keep what they can and God is please with their attempts to keep Torah.

How do the Jewish people "settle" with that, not being able to keep parts of Torah either?

[quote]I'm no expert in Talmud law- I leave that to they guyz -
but during the state of niddah a husband and wife have no physical
contact at all. As far as seating, other than a mechitzah, I've never
seen anyone concerned that a niddah might have sat on a chair.
I heard one Messianic woman say that in her church the person in
a state of niddah sits on a pillow! I've never heard or seen that in
Judaism. She also said women in niddah state could not touch the
Torah...again we don't hold by that because there is the concept
that a Torah is holy and a niddah woman (or anything else) cannot defile it.

It seems Messianics seem to pick and choose what they practice,
and come up with practices that are totally alien to Judaism.

Yep, they do. It's the only way they can actually think they are keeping Torah. They love to focus on the feasts and the Shabbat, but other then that, will spend hrs arguing over minutia like putting extra virgin oil versus virgin oil in their menoras

[SheitlQueen]

(06-29-2009 05:05 PM)Vic Wrote:  [for the many english speaking readers, who don't understand the hebrew words, would you mind putting in an english equivalent? That would be super helpful. I know many messianics/hr think they got Hebrew down cold...but...most don't either. [/b][/color]

Oh, yeah, sorry, I will try to do so.
Just give me a zetz ( a hit upside the head, LOL) if I forget.

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(06-29-2009 05:52 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  Do you miss the mikveh?

Yeah, I do in a way miss it. Partially, I think, because it was
a part of my life for so long. Also, I always felt like I was bonding
somehow to all the Jewish women, past, current, and future,
by going.

Quote: Did you ever wonder why it was required, or did you just always accept it as part of your obedience?

I have always understood why it was required....obedience
seems a strange word...something you won't hear amongst
Jews....I think I would use "observance".

Quote:. It's not practical for a woman to go into a swimming pool every month, so I think they just skip it. The philosophy is that they keep what they can and God is please with their attempts to keep Torah.

I would think if they were going to follow the mitzvah of using a mikveh,
that they would do it in a proper manner. A swimming pool don't cut it.
But I also understand they would not have access to a kosher Jewish
mikveh, so they will have to come up with something on their own...

Quote:How do the Jewish people "settle" with that, not being able to keep parts of Torah either?

Such as? Not sure I understand the question.