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The ISR--The Scriptures--good or bad

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Hi Captive,

Welcome to Seek God!

We really try to keep the threads on topic as much as we can, otherwise things start to get very jumbled and confusing to readers.

The forum has a search function that you can use to look up threads discussing the issues you have concerning biblical Christianities beliefs and practices.

I have looked up a few threads that address some of your concerns. 8836

What's the true name of God
https://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=73

The "j" sound doesn't exist in Hebrew, and did not even exist in English until Elizab
https://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=1025

Was that a Renewed Covenant or New Covenant
https://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=12
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.(2John 1:9)
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(This post was last modified: 02-19-2017, 11:25 AM by Vic.)

Hi captive.

Welcome to the forum. There was really no need to post the exact same statement within your 4 posts.

However, let's take a look at what you are stating.

You obviously are unaware that there are no Hebrew manuscripts for the New Testament. Therefore your nonsense about there not being a J in Hebrew is a moot point. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the translation of the Greek into English or any other language. Languages evolve--which is why even Hebrew spoken today is not the same Hebrew that was used in writing the OT. Incidentally, it includes Caananite, Aramaic, and other languages. So thinking that everything was all Hebrew is a false premise.

From the Hebrew roots Faqs and Myths

Quote:"...The Old Testament was written primarily from source manuscripts of Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament was written from manuscripts in Greek, the occasional Aramaic, and the occasional Hebrew.

Hebrew is a language that evolved historically from proto Canaanite (1400 bce) into Phoenician (1050 bce) then into paleo, middle, and late Hebrew, which finally ended up becoming the Biblical Hebrew (with vowels) that we find today in the Masoretic text upon which the Old Testament is based. From there modern words were added, and then once again it evolved into the modern Hebrew that is spoken in Israel today.

There are parts of various books in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) that are written partially in Aramaic (Daniel, Ezra, Jeremiah, Genesis). Aramaic is a language that came out of Canaan, where the people worshipped idols, and was also spoken in pagan Babylon during the captivity. There are loan words which are transliterated from Greek to Aramaic in the book of Daniel (3:5,7,10,15). And of course, whether accepted or not, the LXX was written in Greek.

There are NO original Hebrew manuscripts for the New Testament. We do have 5,656 manuscripts in Greek, and we know that there are a few Aramaic words and specifically noted Hebrew words and Chaldee words in those [John 5:2; John 9:7, John 1:42, Acts 9:36, Heb 7:1-2] Jesus chose to speak Aramaic in Mark 15:34. It is written in Scripture, that when He addressed the Father from the Cross, He cried out “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” which is clearly in the Aramaic language.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are one of the most valuable discoveries of our day. They have given us a look into the writings of the time before, during, and after Christ. There are literally thousands of scroll fragments. The number of different writings represented is quite large, and they are written in three different languages: Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek. There were none written in Latin. It is also important to note, that the Gospels in the New Testament portion of the Latin Bible are translated from the Koine Greek manuscripts.

The Greek Texts were and are translated into other languages so that "...the Gospel is published in all nations". It is absurd to think that God would be incapable of inspiring the translation of His Word into other languages. It is also unthinkable that He would be unable to protect the needed messages in those languages.

The Scriptures were written in Greek because it was the common language, of Jews and Gentiles. It was the language of commerce. It is not a language that defiles someone or makes them pagan. It is what is in them spiritually. ...

Matthew 15:16-20 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; ...."
http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs9.htm#heb

So you see, Hebrew is not the language the NT was written in although there are a few Hebrew words used within it.
Vic
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3John 1:4  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Isaiah 40:31  But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

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(This post was last modified: 02-19-2017, 11:26 AM by Vic.)

Hi captive:

As Lois mentioned above, there are other threads for the various topics, as we try to keep the threads somewhat on track. That doesn't mean one can't start new threads on topics, but since newbies aren't allowed to start threads, you might as well post at the ones already there.

Regarding the J issue, Lois posted the thread to go to.

Regarding Easter---there's a huge thread on that > Is Easter Pagan?   https://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=641

There's also threads regarding the Trinity or triune God, I believe, who Is Jesus etc...

However I will say this. It's obvious you are unfamiliar with translation practices and lack knowledge of the history of easter for example and what it means. We have a huge thread here about that. Please take that issue there.  


The names of characters and people are pagan within the Bible or just the NT?....

I am sorry but that is total ignorance of Scriptural truth. Greeks for example had Greek names, as did Romans but when they accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, they were saved. Their names or language doesn't matter. Their history and lineage doesn't matter, etc, because In Christ, they and we are a new creation.

Your suggestion is, that no one from any culture or heritage could be saved--unless they what, speak Hebrew or take a 'Hebrew name". That's utter nonsense. Many believers mentioned within the Scriptures were from pagan cultures or practicing pagan beliefs prior to turning to Christ, but that does not mean one is pagan after God's forgiveness and believing Christ. 

Matthew 15:16-20 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

2 Corinthians 5:14-17  For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Incidentally, God spoke of the pagans and their false God's in the OT as well as a few passages in the NT. Jesus was/is not a "super prophet" as you would suggest. Take a look at the threads regarding who Jesus is.
Vic
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3John 1:4  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Isaiah 40:31  But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

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