Can we lose Salvation?

[Strefanash]

finney, ther is so much heat in your post i cannt make out what you are tring to say.

You wrote: "See anywhere in there that the writer of Hebrews is talking about falling away from salvation?" I answer plainly that it is in Hebrews chapter 2: 1-3. The Hebrews (which I take to be the hebrew church not the Jewish nation) were told here not to neglect their salvation

But if you really are saying that you cant have eternal life if you sin after being born again you are completely out of court, for he who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. Not only that, but you have set yourself up for a life of torment as you try to force yourself to live that sinless life. I have been there and done that. and it made hell of over 20 years of my life.

But if this is a postion you were not advocating, rather were refuting, you have not clearly shown this, and you need to cool down and write more clearly what you are on about, because what I read from your passionate post is deep and terrible error. Did you mean this or something else?

As for wilfull sin there MUST be a distiction between the simple wilfullness of sin whereby we are accountable for it, and that wilfullness of sin that is the blasphemy of the Spirit (because for ALL other sin, though it be willful, there IS sacrifice and forgiveness otherwise the cross was for nothing). If there is not a distinction here then everyone of us is damned for the inward nature of sin (read the sermon in the mount) obliterates the value of our forced efforts

As for your arguing from Hebrews 10:26 ff, which is it to be? If I am using a book written to the Hebrews to force a doctrine on the church therefore the letter to the Hebrews is not relevant to the church and should not be in scrpture. But if I am doing this why are you not? If I am not allowed to force doctrine on the church by quoting Hebrews then neither are you. Or is there a subtlety in your thought your emotive prose has obscured, because all i read here is either self contradiction or error

AS for your comments on the Sabbath rest of the believer I can make no sense of them. "Strive to enter the rest" is not a command to struggle legalisticially, which I have done to no effect, it is is command to seek the lord in prayer, to strive in prayer if you will. This I have done, this I do daily, and the result is a progressive move.

To finish: that the wages of sin is death is indisputable, but you have denied grace if you think that death is the ONLY thing that follows sin in a christian, What says I John 1:9? If we confess our sin "He is faithful and just to firgive ourt sin. John wrote this to christians, not unbelievers. It applies to christians also. If it does not then either we are virtually sinkless saints totally soaked in the power and glory of God, or we are all damnd, every single one of us

THe wages of sin are death if one refuses to repent. But if you repent there is restoration, moreover this does not end at conversion, it in fact starts there. You seem to have missed this on out completely.

You are speaking to a pharisee of the pharisees, a total legalist who twisted scripture in much the same way you appear to be (unless your prose is so unclear that your meaning is lost in yoiur passion). I have been there and done that. In my pride I denied the living God for the Law, but he persisted with me