Can we lose Salvation?

[finney]

I'm gonna cut and paste your post and see what I can do to answer your questions or objections (as the case may be). Do you have any certain priority or is one just as good as any other?

I'm not trying to win an argument. My desire for you and any others that think you have to do this or that or not do something or the other to maintain everlasting life is that you would be set loose from that. You are as safe in Christ now (if you're in Christ, of course) as you will be in Heaven after eleventy bazillion ages have come and gone and you are so 'cause of what he did, not what you're doing.

To establish a position: II Tim. 2:15 says that we're to study and rightly divide the word. It doesn't say that in the NIV or the New King James or the NASB or the CEV or the NLT or the ESV or the NJB or GNFMM or the New World Translation and do you want me to go on? The point here is that if you're reading something other than the AV and I start talking about "rightly dividing the word" you're not gonna have any idea what I'm talkin' about; the concept will never have been generated. Just so you know what I'm using as a source material. Oh and by the way.. if you're using those versions above or the nearly 90 English versions remaining (I only mentioned nine and the AV) then you're going to keep running up against "being saved" where the AV usually says "are saved" or just "saved." They're not interchangeable and can cause you to think you're still "being saved" instead of "are saved."

Don't forget about the priority question and while I'm doing this (which will take some time no matter which part I choose to answer first) would you please point to one verse where it states clearly that someone can lose their salvation or that they can choose to be un-born again or such like? Something that stands out clearly and says "A saved person can be un-saved and go to the lake of fire?" Thanks and while you're doing that I'll get started answering as best I can the objections raised.

As to John 15: Who bears the fruit in a Chrsitian's life? For a Christian it's the fruit of the... wait a minute... let's see, it's the fruit of... The fruit of the ... It's right on the tip of my tongue. Was Jesus addressing Israel or the church? Was he preaching the gospel of the Kingdom or the gospel of Grace? Do you know the difference? That'd be a good place to start. What's the difference 'tween the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel of Jesus Christ?

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