Can we lose Salvation?
05-14-2009, 02:36 PM
RE: Can we lose Salvation?
(05-14-2009 12:55 PM)finney Wrote: So Paul when he told the Galatians that "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ." didn't know what he was talking about? After all, there's only one, right? Guess what he was talking to them about? It was the gospel of Christ versus its admixture with the law of obediance to reward or disobediance to punishment.
Actually, Paul speaks of another gospel in 2 Corinthians as well:
2Co 11:4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
Here, Paul shows us that another Gospel is not the Spirit of Christ, and therefore one is accursed for believing it. This is also mentioned in Galatians:
Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
If one is "accursed", one is damned, they have fallen from the true Gospel of Christ - which is what the Galatians had believed at first.
Quote:Jesus talked about the gospel of the kingdom and Paul talks about the gospel of Christ. Eleven times he uses that term and never once mentions the gospel of the kingdom. Jesus, speaking to Israel (I am not come but to the lost sheep of Israel), either mentions or is said to be preaching the gospel of the kingdom four times. Are there two gospels as in two different means of salvation? No. Are there differences in how and to whom the gospel is preached and applied? This one is yes and no. Is there a difference between the gospel of "repent" and the gospel of "believe?" Yes.
There is no difference between the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of Christ - they are one in the same. Gospel means the Good News of Salvation.
There is no difference in how the Gospel is preached and applied.
Rom 10:9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture said, Whoever believes on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call on him.
Rom 10:13 For whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Quote:You who need to do to stay saved do whatever it is you need to stay saved. Our place in the kingdom (the physical one) is determined by what we do or don't do in regards to our growth into Christ, but that is not salvation; salvation is a free gift that God does not change His mind about. You have to "rightly divide the word" so you don't get confused twixt the two.There is no "physical" Kingdom of God. We do not, cannot enter Heaven with physical bodies. Upon Christ's return we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye to an incorruptible body - which is spiritual, not mortal.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 However, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
You are right, God does not change His mind about salvation, it's man that does. How many scripts shall I provide for you?
How about this one - Paul is speaking to *believers*:
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Gal 5:15 But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would.
Gal 5:18 But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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