Can we lose Salvation?
01-29-2010, 08:46 AM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2010 09:11 AM by Scotchman.)
RE: Can we lose Salvation?
OVERLOAD PROTECTION -- SERVANT HALTED
Sorry, I got overwhelmed with so many questions at once.
OK, I can answer alot at once but please, one question or point at a time. If I miss something, ask again later. I am not trying to avoi but 10 questions can over whelm.
Interpretation of Scripture is based upon how literal or plain-text you read it and whether you have predisposed ideas.
Let us stand back a little.
OK I will try again. Maybe I needed coffee this early.
(03-02-2009 12:47 PM)milordsheep Wrote: I will try to ask questions without hand grenades.
I believe that the Scriptures teach neither. Otherwise it makes Man Sovereign.
(01-29-2010 12:22 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote: You missed some crucial words there in that last Scripture which are " if ye continue in my word".
Not really. the difference is this. If you treat the "continuing" as a Fruit, then it teaches Eternal Security. If you treat the "Continuing" as a WORK, then one is teaching" arminianism. But Ephesians 2:8-9 as tells us that it is by grace. 1John tells us this continuing or Overcoming is a fruit we display as a result of JESUS' WORK!
The Entire topic is based upon whether one interprets the verses as Man Centered, by Works; or whether it is read as Christ Sovereign and His Work!
terms used here are for reference only, not invention!
A Sovereign God viewpoint leads to OSAS and calvinism
A Sovereign Man viewpoint leads to so-called Freewill and Arminianism
In Truth, We do have Free-Will but only AFTER we are saved!
You can not choose your salvation, only what you do with it.
JESUS finishes our Faith, not we ourselves.
Hebrews 12:2 * Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And notice here that our salvation is PAST TENSE and secure for eternity if we come to Christ.
John 5:24 * Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life
And Jesus tells us that if you come to Him in Faith, it is becauuse you were already called by the Father.
John 14:6 * Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
John 6:44 * No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day
Do not confuse verses about losing a mental belief in Jesus or lack of following as losing Salvation. What those verses mean is that some people TRY JESUS from their own flesh. One will never survive trying to believe on Jesus from the Flesh. That person will be choked by the cares or wither without root.
Only those who have been truly planted/converted and follow Christ from the Spirit shall live.
Romans 8:13 * For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live
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