Avi ben Mordechai of Millennium 7000

[Kiwi]

There is nothing in your response that confirms anything, i could fill these pages with Holy Scripture that counters ALL christian man made theology.
You appear to have done away with our creators laws and statutes, the book of life with clear instructions for all man. You are no different the Israelites who made a golden calf because they weren't happy with God's Word / Truth, hence non of the Israelites over the age of 20 made it to the promised land except Yehoshua and one other.
When Yeshua returns he is coming to judge all those that have done lawlessness (torah-less-ness) and the majority of christianity is guilty of promoting and teaching this.
I resign from this site of blind leading the blind people and will say a prayer to the one and only through Yeshua HaMashiach that some of you will be called as i was.
If you're not a truth seeker you are either dupped or a dupper - which one are you?

(09-22-2009 04:08 PM)Kiwi Wrote:  Avi can't help it if you're blind to the truth. Didnt Yeshua say to pharisee's, "didnt Moses give you the Torah yet none of you keep the Torah" & "My mother and my brothers are those that Hear the work (Shima) and Do (Asah) it (the word is HaTorah). Proverbs 28:9 He who turns his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer is an abomination. Christianity along with Orthodox Judaism, Catholism, Islam etc etc are all man made religions - Golden Calf.
Truth vs Deception 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
Because you people are so blind YHWH will increase the deluding influence as confirmed in Holy Scripture. There is only one truth as confirmed by YHWH to Moses at Mt Sinai, by Yeshua who constantly fought with the pharisee's over their Oral law (ma'aseh hatorah) or works of the law, as confirmed by the prophets and Yeshua's Talmidim.
As you appear to have no understanding of Hebrew or Aramaic and no truth in you or a heart seeking the Truth, there is no truth in you.
All one can do is pray for you.

[sheep wrecked]

(09-22-2009 07:59 PM)Kiwi Wrote:  There is nothing in your response that confirms anything, i could fill these pages with Holy Scripture that counters ALL christian man made theology.
You appear to have done away with our creators laws and statutes, the book of life with clear instructions for all man. You are no different the Israelites who made a golden calf because they weren't happy with God's Word / Truth, hence non of the Israelites over the age of 20 made it to the promised land except Yehoshua and one other.
When Yeshua returns he is coming to judge all those that have done lawlessness (torah-less-ness) and the majority of christianity is guilty of promoting and teaching this.
I resign from this site of blind leading the blind people and will say a prayer to the one and only through Yeshua HaMashiach that some of you will be called as i was.
If you're not a truth seeker you are either dupped or a dupper - which one are you?

You have been duped. The Hebrew Roots movement is very enticing and filled with all kinds of teachings to poison your mind. The greatest and most significant error of observing Torah and going back under a covenant that was broken and replaced, and then spilling on the table all that you have been programed to repeat - is that you have denied the blood bought covenant of Christ and therefore denied Him ....... that will cost you everything.

You have been lied to and manipulated by teachers who teach what they do not know. They do not understand the context, and change the meaning of words to suit their own agenda. You have been tricked into believing that keeping Torah is lawful - in fact, it is the lawlessness that you so vehemently oppose.

Every time the word "law" is used in the NT, your teachers have errantly taught that it means Torah. It does not. There is more than one "law" spoken of in the NT. The most important is the Law of Christ, which is not the law of Moses. I quoted you the verses that show His Law is supreme and is a better covenant than the one given to Moses. Yet you have no answer, no refutation, but to robotically pronounce that we are blind and lawless - just as your teachers have programed you to say.

Do you not understand that the promise of the Mosaic covenant is a piece of land? The promise of the New Covenant is eternal life. Which will you choose?

Do the research yourself. Ask the Lord for understanding and wisdom and He will give it to you. Man who trusts in man is cursed, but Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

[SheitlQueen]

(09-22-2009 05:35 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  Unfortunately, Avi really is Jewish

Well, call me skeptical, but I would not take his word on
anything...but I would love to see his mother and grandmother's
ketubahs.

Quote: and he makes the most of it

Oh, one of those......ick.

Quote:If you mix enough Hebrew in with your English, it's supposed to impress people enough to think you really know the "deep truths" of the Jewish Scriptures as interpreted by Hebrew Roots.

And if you find an ignorant enough audience, you can convince them
of anything.

Quote: Of course they truly believe they are actually Jewish somewhere somehow someway - if you force your family genealogy through the wringer enough times - or make it up as you go along [/b][/color]

Yep, it seems quite important to them to be real "Jews"...even going
to far as to make up they are descended from the ten lost tribes.
I would love to know how they determined that.

[Strefanash]

It is all so very simple. the moral law no one keeps. jew or non jew. the sacrifical law was a type of the sacrifice to come. now that it is finished no more sacrifices are needed. the health laws and cultural laws were pushed too far and jesus reined it in when he announced that all foods were clean. some of the clothing laws etc a metaphors for holiness, but we should have the real thing and thus have no need for the image or the type.

as to accusing us of lawlessness, well that is the fallacy of equating legalism with lawfullness, whereby non legalism is falsely seen to be lawlessness, when in fact it is the other way round: legalism is lawLESSness dressed up in piety, lawlessness in drag. I should know this, being a powerful legalist myself, and still undergoing conviction of sin and repentance whereby i can repent of my righteousness, which is filthy rags, an ongoing process

as no jews keeps the part of the law that was never adjusted, really or even apparently, in anyway due to the cross etc, his efforts will do him no good. his efforts never constituted obedience to the LAw, for the law said love you neighbour, the law did not say bottle up your contempt for your neighbour and put on a brave face while trying to do good for him. this latter is all "lawkeeping" ever amounted to.

they never understood that grace does not abrogate law, it affirms it, as St Paul said. but grace does abrogate carnal struggle, which only ever makes hypocrites of us all. it is because our struggle to be good is hypocrisy that means it never even comes close to producing or even acknowledging the true requirement of the law

of course the ingrained selfrighteousness of a man who is a legalist (myself a case in point) just will not give it up, mostly out of pride.

so i can be understood why intelligent men fell for this. pride, self righteousness, all the reasons i fell for my own form of legalism

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You appear to have done away with our creators laws and statutes, the book of life with clear instructions for all man.

stref

yes indeed, clear instructions, like "BE PERFECT". that we are sinners, all of us, makes this not a manifesto for life but a death sentence. What did Paul say in scripture? it was a ministry of condemnation .

no life there, for the letter kills, but the realization that we are dead in sins as either unbelievers or backsliders should give up pause to seek the Holy Spirit of Christ.

no commandment is denied in any of those, but the acknowledgement that no commandment was ever kept by our efforts is part and parcel of this. giving up a futile attempt to pretend to obey God does not ever deny we should, it simply faces reality as we appraoch him as helpless children for we have nothing else to offer