Why does the HR movement not use the word God?

[4given]

This question was in an email to me a few weeks ago - I thought that it was because the word God was too holy for them to use and I do know of a few people who do not use the word God when they are speaking to HR folk incase they offend them - but is this the correct view?

[sheep wrecked]

(04-06-2009 02:11 AM)4given Wrote:  This question was in an email to me a few weeks ago - I thought that it was because the word God was too holy for them to use and I do know of a few people who do not use the word God when they are speaking to HR folk incase they offend them - but is this the correct view?

I see you have entered the land of HR

It's loaded with "land mines"

But we'll be happy to give you a guided tour @ no charge


Getting back to "serious", it is a Rabbinical ruling that the name of God is not uttered in Judaism [this is the Jewish religion]. So typically most Jews either call God, Ha Shem or Adonai. They do not use the term "God" much, although you may find some here and there. Of the 16 million+ Jews worldwide, only about 5 million practice some form of Judaism, the rest are secular.

When the word "God" is used in Judaism - usually written [not spoken] the middle letter "o" is replaced with a "-" denoting that God is Holy and His name should not be blasphemed by speaking it - according to Rabbinical standards. They will often to the same do the word "Lord" in reference to God, substituting the "o" for a "-".

Hebrew Roots/Messianic Judaism believes that "God", "Lord" and most times "Jesus" are pagan names and therefore should not be used. Instead most opt for "Yahweh" or something similar for God, and "Yahshua" or some derivative of that for Jesus. Many Messianics use Yeshua for Jesus, which is probably His Hebrew Name.

Yahweh and Yahshua are not Hebrew names, although they are promoted as such. In Hebrew the pronunciation of "yah" is Hebraically impossible for the first syllable. It is found only at the end of Hebrew names or as a stand alone name for God as found in Psalms [spelled as "Jah" in the KJV].

As a side note - what troubles me tremendously is that Christianity has now adopted "Yahweh" as God's Hebrew Name [adopted as the pronunciation for the tetragrammatron: YHWH], which only, in my opinion helps give credibility to a movement that denies the finished work of Christ on the cross

The teaching that God, Lord, and Jesus are pagan entities and names is one of the worst doctrines coming out of the Messianic movement. It is most usually called the sacred name movement.

The lack of scholarship and research is astounding when it comes to the sacred name concept. Messianic versions of the Bible are numerous to get followers to purchase an expensive version loaded with THE sacred name and Hebrew words. The lack of scholarship is atrocious. Another subject for sure!

There are two excellent articles on the Seek God website which address both Yahweh and Yahshua/Yeshua which are informative and documented, giving a solid scholarly view of the false teachings that permeate HR in this area :clap:

Yahweh: http://www.seekgod.ca/htname.htm

Yeshua/Yahshua: http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm

[4given]

That information was fabulous. Thank you so much - I sometimes use the word Yeshua - but while in automatic pilot writing or speaking I would use the word Jesus. I must admit that I used to be careful with my messianic friend to use the word Yeshua but recently I stoped but I've noticed more and more that she is using the word Yahshua so I must on your links.

[sheep wrecked]

(04-06-2009 12:29 PM)4given Wrote:  That information was fabulous. Thank you so much - I sometimes use the word Yeshua - but while in automatic pilot writing or speaking I would use the word Jesus. I must admit that I used to be careful with my messianic friend to use the word Yeshua but recently I stoped but I've noticed more and more that she is using the word Yahshua so I must on your links.

I don't want to be the bearer of bad "tidings", but if she is using yahshua, she is getting in deeper. It's a subtle form of brainwashing that puts one in fear that God will not hear them unless they use the "real sacred Hebrew" Name of the Messiah itching ears abound

[LindaR]

sheep, 4given, and all others who are interested in another excellent article about the Name of Jesus...

It's an article called "What Name Is Above All Names?: An expose on the Hebrew Roots / Sacred Name Movement" The article found on the Hope of Israel dot net website. Do a keyword search using the word "Name"...it's #6 on the list. It's a long article and part of it is a "Hebrews Roots expose" by Barb Aho. This part has alot of information that sheep has brought out in her posts and is also found on this site.

[sheep wrecked]

(04-06-2009 04:16 PM)LindaR Wrote:  sheep, 4given, and all others who are interested in another excellent article about the Name of Jesus...

It's an article called "What Name Is Above All Names?: An expose on the Hebrew Roots / Sacred Name Movement" The article found on the Hope of Israel dot net website. Do a keyword search using the word "Name"...it's #6 on the list. It's a long article and part of it is a "Hebrews Roots expose" by Barb Aho. This part has alot of information that sheep has brought out in her posts and is also found on this site.

Yes, I have seen the article. What disturbs me is that Ms Aho only attributes the last section, which she calls an "Appendix" to Vicky. Many of Ms Aho's actual writings are taken from Vicky's site and "reworked" to make them sound like her own.

Ms Aho is also very charismatic, which "flavors" her writings conversely. I would be very careful using her stuff. What she does write on her own often has questionable documentation. I have read a lot of her things and they tend to lean quite heavily towards the sensational, rather than being factual.

[Vic]

I've addressed the name issue in many articles, and here's one from quite awhile ago.

Taking the Name

http://www.seekgod.ca/names.htm

Also in the original To Embrace Hebrew Roots series part 9

http://www.seekgod.ca/practicalkab.htm

Specifically these two sections:

> http://www.seekgod.ca/practicalkab.htm#tet

> http://www.seekgod.ca/practicalkab.htm#name

[LindaR]

sheep wrecked Wrote:Yes, I have seen the article. What disturbs me is that Ms Aho only attributes the last section, which she calls an "Appendix" to Vicky. Many of Ms Aho's actual writings are taken from Vicky's site and "reworked" to make them sound like her own.

Ms Aho is also very charismatic, which "flavors" her writings conversely. I would be very careful using her stuff. What she does write on her own often has questionable documentation. I have read a lot of her things and they tend to lean quite heavily towards the sensational, rather than being factual.

Thanks sheep! I don't even understand some of the things Ms Aho writes...sometimes she even confuses me. It was actually the first part of the article I was referring to. The site gives no author to that first part, but I really liked the article. What really hit me between the eyes was how the author of this article showed from Scripture that Christ is the "Root" of the Olive tree...not the commonwealth of Israel, as most MJ/HRs teach.

Hope of Israel is a Baptist mission and they give away Hebrew/English New Testaments (I have a copy of one of them). I can't read a lick of Hebrew (except a few words), but it is very well laid out. It reads from right to left and has references to O.T. prophecies.

[sheep wrecked]

(04-06-2009 06:14 PM)LindaR Wrote:  Hope of Israel is a Baptist mission and they give away Hebrew/English New Testaments (I have a copy of one of them). I can't read a lick of Hebrew (except a few words), but it is very well laid out. It reads from right to left and has references to O.T. prophecies.

Well, that is a strange one. I am not sure if I am blonde or clueless, but why would they do that???? The NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew

ps: what version is it?

[LindaR]

sheep wrecked Wrote:Well, that is a strange one. I am not sure if I am blonde or clueless, but why would they do that???? The NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew

ps: what version is it?

It's a KJV...the Baptist church who sponsors the mission is KJV. I suppose they translated the Hebrew from the English. I think there is a note in front of that NT...I'll have to look.