RE: Jesus: Son of Joseph or Son of God?
(03-07-2010 05:40 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(03-07-2010 10:13 AM)Ben Masada Wrote: Good! You are a Christian. Can you quote a text in the Tanakh about Jesus being God manifest in the flesh. I don't recall to have ever read it.
You don't recall reading it because you don't want to see it. Again, this is based on CHRISTIAN interpretation of the OT. If you are not a Christian, it won't make sense for me to quote a bunch of verses that you will insist cannot be interpreted to define how we believe. I am sure that you are well aware of the texts that are used anyway
Quote:It doesn't occur to me that Joseph ever named Ephraim and Manasseh as sons. They were his legitimate sons anyway.
Sorry, I meant Jacob
Gen 48:5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
Gen 48:6 And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.
Quote:As I can see, you are not too well-informed. The Talmud was written during the time between 200 BCE and until 200 ACE. In the First Century Judaism was well developed and advanced with a famous Sanhedrin making legal the decisions of Pharisees and Rabbis.
The Talmud was not written until 200 CE - 500 CE - it was known orally up to that point, but not written down until then. This is historical.
Judaism was not "advanced" at the first century. It was in the beginning sketches of it. The Pharisees eventually became the Rabbinical system after the fall of the Jerusalem in 70AD. The Talmud defines Judaism from around the middle ages. The Talmud also defines what the Sanhedrin did in the first century according to Judaism. According to history, the Sanhedrin judged on judicial and legislative cases under Roman authority in Jerusalem. The Sanhedrin dissolved soon after the destruction of Jerusalem [70AD] and was never again re-instituted.
Quote:If the gospels of Matthew and John match, I wonder why Matthew says that as soon as Jesus came out of the Jordan River after his immersion by John, he was taken into the wirlderness to be tempted by the Devil for 40 days and 40 nights. (Mat. 4:1) John ignores the whole buniness in the desert and sets Jesus celebrating his wedding party in Cana of the Galilee on the third day after his immersion. (John 2:1) Do you still call this a match?
John 2:1 says nothing of the sort - it is not referring to Jesus' baptism.
Quote: What Moses spoke of Christ - that a prophet would come that people should listen to - really says it all.
Quote:Moses spoke of Joshua, a prophet like Moses. If that Prophet had been Jesus, you would be in big trouble, because you don't listen to him. He declared that he came to confirm the Law to the letter, even the dot of the letter, according to Matthew 5:17-19. Do you listen to Jesus with regards to the Law? I don't think so.
We have found that if people post enough, eventually little details about their belief system just sort of pops out It appears that you were a Messsianic. Only Messianis say that Jesus confirmed the Law even to the dot of the letter per Matt 5:17-19. Christians know that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant aka "The Law/Torah"
Quote:Yes, John was an apostle but he was not the one who wrote the fourth gospel. A Jew would not connect Greek Mythology with Judaism. We know that a man cannot be God.
John the Jew, the beloved disciple of Jesus, did in fact write the Gospel of John. There is no "Greek mythology" in the book of John. Jesus was not a man that was God. This is where the mistake is made in understanding. God "manifested" Himself as a man, just as He did to Abraham [Gen 18].
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Quote:This is a reference to the Jews exiled in the Diaspora, who were considered as buried in the lands of the Gentiles. Read Isaiah 53:8,9; and Ezekiel 37:12.
Everlasting life refers to dead and buried Jews??????
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Quote:Eternal life only God has it. Anyone else who was born cannot have eternal life.
Psa 21:4 He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.
Psa 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Psa 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psa 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psa 41:12 And as for me, thou upholdest me in mine integrity, and settest me before thy face for ever.
Quote:Sorry, but you assume too much with not even a quotation in the Tanakh to confirm what you assume.
It would be redundant for me to list Scriptures because you won't accept them. Christian interpretation is what it is. Judaism and Christianity are two different "religions" and therefore see the Scriptures from two different perspectives.
Quote:Sorry, but you haven't said anything to persuade me that Christianity can be documented in Jewish Scriptures. All you want is for me to take your word for it, but it doesn't go that way.
see my explanation here: http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...86#pid5486
John 2:1 is talking about the third day after the Jews sent priests and Levites to ask him (John the Baptist) who he was, not the third day after Jesus was baptised.
Phillipians 4:23 "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."