Jesus: Son of Joseph or Son of God?

[Ben Masada]

(03-07-2010 11:59 AM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  If the guys who transcribed the NT weren't Jewish, what were they?

Jesus was Joseph's son in the way that an adopted baby is his adopted parents' son. Since He came in Human form as a flesh-and-blood Child, He needed His adoptive parents to care for Him as His earthly Body grew, like any other human baby. "Begotten" the way it is used in Scripture apparently means "born naturally", ergo God's only begotten Son = God's Son carried and born naturally. Jesus's Human Body was conceived supernaturally and born naturally.

Insulting the admins is never a good idea.

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Jesus was a Jewish man, and according to Judaism, an adopted child can never inherit the genealogical trait which would make him to belong to the Tribe of the father. Since Joseph was the one from the Tribe of Judah, and you claim that Jesus was only adopted by him, Jesus could not be from the Tribe of Judah. Therefore, he could not have been the Messiah. Mary was of the family of Elizabeth, a descendant of Aaron, the Levite. Read Luke 1:5,36. Mother lineage defines only the Jewishness of the child but not his Tribal affiliation.
Ben

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(03-10-2010 10:36 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(03-10-2010 10:38 AM)Ben Masada Wrote:  [quote='sheep wrecked' pid='5504' dateline='1268065172']

Matt 5:17-19 has nothing to do with keeping the Law. The emphasis is on "FULFILLED" - something Jesus completed fully. I am not sure why you care. So what exactly is your point to push keeping the Law to a bunch of Gentile Christians who are not to keep the Law in the first place and who cannot be Jews, according to Judaism, because they believe in Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!

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Very good! I am going with you on this one. What is the difference between "keeping" the Law and "fulfilling" the Law? None, I am sure. But when you say that Jesus fulfilled them fully, what do you mean, that they have been abolished on the cross, according to Paul? (Ephe. 2:16)

I agree with you that those laws in Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:17-19 are not for Christians. These have the Noahite laws. Besides, Jesus was not delivering the Sermon of the Mount to Gentiles but to the
Jews, as he made it very clear that the Law remains to be fulfilled by all of us just as he did.
Ben

Quote:Fulfilled means accomplished, completed, done. It does not mean to keep doing what has already been finished.

In that case, why had Jesus to say that whoever does do the same as he did by fulfilling the Law down to the letter, won't be worthy the Kingdom of God? Read Matthew 5:18,19. Why do you make it so hard to understand what he said?

Quote:I am curious, seeing that you call yourself a Jew, why you should care about what Jesus said? If you do not believe He is the Messiah, then for you, the New Testament is not valid and the words Jesus spoke are a myth/legend.

Jesus was a Jewish man who lived according to Judaism. The NT misrepresent Judaism by picking up a Jew to teach that the Greek Mythology of a son of God is possible in Judaism. This is Replacement Theology.

Quote:For Christians, who believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Noahide laws mean nothing. They are a Rabbinical designation for Gentiles, not what God instituted or commanded and cannot be found in Scripture, but in the Talmud - which denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God - and denigrates Him, calling him a ba$tard.

I don't believe Jesus was a ********* He had a father in Joseph. The charge of his being a ******* is due more to those who deny this assertion.

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