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Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
12-14-2008, 12:40 PM
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RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
(12-14-2008 12:36 PM)aahavaa Wrote:  Hey Grafted,

nice to see you on here Wave
you wrote
Quote:But the curse was removed.


If by law you mean Sinai law and you say it still stands yet its curse is removed, does it mean that we can now sin but there´s no penalty? Do you mean that God removed the curses that came with the Sinai Covenant? What about the blessings? Were they removed or did they stay?
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant in your post. Otherwise I get a bit Huh LOL
Since as a Christian I believe that we are in the New Covenant ,with its particular conditions, not the one at Sinai where God said "If you keep my commandments…"

If we say the Sinai covenant is in force but now the curse is gone, would that mean that after the death of Jesus, God still commands us to do certain things but now there is no penalty for disobedience?
Wouldn’t that be God modifying the conditions of the Covenant and leaving commandments with no repercussions. It is like we are told commands but if we obey it doesn’t matter so the obedience is not secured.
In the New Covenant we see that God secures the obedience by writing his Laws in our hearts. It is the Holy spirit in us that causes us to obey ,because we want to and it becomes part of our nature .
Is it the Torah of Sinai that we obey?
Abraham obeyed Gods laws, statues and commandments yet the Laws of Sinai hadn’t been given yet. In same way I observe the words of Jesus which were the words God gave him to give to us. So I am observing his Laws just as Abraham did and neither I nor Abraham are bound to the laws at Sinai.

Quote:Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
the promise of the Spirit indwelling is contained within the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31, it was not a feature of the Sinai one

anyway Grafted ,I welcome your thoughts on this...and those of others
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What was the curse of the law.

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
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