RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
(05-08-2011 12:34 PM)NearYah Wrote:
(04-28-2011 10:37 PM)Mary Wrote: Shalom Mary!
Listen I think it’s great that you got what you did from this story equally the same; however, I’m not seeing where this is telling us that Yahusha (Jesus) has a new law given to us. I’ve provided a few verses back as to what that law will cause us to do through Ezekiel 36:27. The law points us back to the fathers law. His law is the Torah. I’m really having a hard time seeing how we break that cycle and insert Yahusha laws in there when his laws come from the Torah, which I also provided previously Lev 19:18 and Deut 5.
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
(1 John 2:7-8)
regretfully, you seem to not see God's truth here. In the Law, these men are instructed not to oppress a stranger and and not to Kill (Exodus 20 - 22) yet they walk on by, perhaps content in that they have not oppressed directly, nor attacked him. They show no mercy and refuse to bear the stranger's burdens: look at Galatians chapter 5 and also chapter 6 verse 2 :Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Now, your quoting of the verses from1 John: what is the context of those?
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
Go back also to the Gospel of John: Chapter 1: vs 1-4
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men."
note: the "old commandment is the word which you have had from the beginning" - Jesus.
Sorry it took me so long to reply.
I must be missing the truth on this. All I’m seeing you do is support what I’m saying. In the beginning means that even then his law was with them through Yahusha (Jesus).
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. ( 1 Cor 10:1-4)
What we see in these stories is that even then he was trying to guide and protect them/us, no different than now. I’ll simply repeat myself and say that Yahusha (Jesus) is the torah the living torah. This is why we become like little lights of Yahuah (God) by keeping his commandments we become more like Yahusha (Jesus). Through John we are told to walk just as he walked
6He who is saying in him he doth remain, ought according as he walked also himself so to walk.
(1 John 2:6 young’s literal translation)
If we can agree that he walked under torah, than how do we arrive to a new conclusion?
The story you mentioned isn’t teaching us anything new about the law? But it shows us that it was the people were changing, not the law. The people didn’t get the torah and he was helping them grasp it. Again these are the heavy matters of the law, not a new law.
Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye give tithe of the mint, and the dill, and the cumin, and did neglect the weightier things of the Law -- the judgment, and the kindness, and the faith; these it behoved [you] to do, and those not to neglect. (Matthew 23:23)
I really think you need to do a deep and serious study of Galatians Ne'arYah. It will bring you a lot nearer to God.
How many times did Jesus heal on the Sabbath, and touch the unclean? He said he was one with the Father, and was accused of blasphemy... he broke the law, and was cursed: he hanged on a tree (cross) as punishment for breaking the law, and in doing so took on the curse for you and me, so that we could receive the gift of Abraham - Faith.
Have you rejected this gift, and remain clinging to the law? It is of no effect. You will not be able to keep it. The law was "added" because of transgressions - now Christ has 'taken it away'.
Phillipians 4:23 "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."