Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:I feel a little confused after reading some of the other posts on this thread. It appears as though nothing other than faith is required of us in the New Covenant. Christ gave some very specific teachings on obediance, keeping commandments, and how one enters life:

Sari that is because the topic of the thread is whether Christ brings a new Torah ie a different sent of commands than the ones given Moses and based on different conditions too.
So the emphasis on faith will be because in the Old Covenant the promises were passed down through Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob who became Israel and thus his descendants.The Covenant was made with Israel not with Gentiles andas Paul put it, Gentiles were aliens to the covenant of promise.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world


In the New it is no longer enough to be a descendant of Jacob.All now have to enter in through Jesus and His Covenant.
Remember what Christ said?


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Quote:My understanding is that the Father's laws have been intact since the beginning of Creation. If not, how could Adam and Eve have been guilty of sin? How would mankind have known right from wrong?

It is highly emphasized in the Scriptures how God does not desire for man to outwardly obey Him by following the letter of the law through works of the flesh, without first receiving it inwardly. (the uncircumsized of the heart)

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (KJV)

This is why the Pharisees were so often criticized. They desired to have the appearance of righteousness, by an outward expression of actions.

Matt 3:7-8
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: (KJV)

They were also guilty of placing their own traditions before the commandments of God.

Mark 7:6-9
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (KJV)

I agree with all you said above until we come to where you said

Quote:One must have the spirit to fulfill the law:

Gal 3:2-3
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(KJV)

Rom 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (KJV)

1 Cor 9:9-12
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
(KJV)

I see that the verses quoted do not say that one must have the Spirit to obey the Law and instead the Galatians verse leads us to think the opposite since those gentiles received the Spirit while not obeying the Law.By Law here I mean Mosaic Law since sometimes,esp in this thread the term law can be used to mean both Mosaic and God's Law.Paul then tells them that if they received the Spirit by hearing and believing ie by faith and not by doing the Law, why then did they think that after that they should need to obey that very law that they didn't need to receive the Spirit by in the first place.

I am glad that you quoted that Corinthians verse since it shows Paul using the Law as a teacher according to the Spirit and not the letter.
According to the letter Paul would have been teaching on the care of oxen but we see the principle being used for people instead.I believe this is how we should use the Law , as Paul said

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.