Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
05-19-2011, 05:20 PM
RE: Does Jesus bring a new Torah with the New Covenant?
Quote:I feel a little confused after reading some of the other posts on this thread. It appears as though nothing other than faith is required of us in the New Covenant. Christ gave some very specific teachings on obediance, keeping commandments, and how one enters life:
Sari that is because the topic of the thread is whether Christ brings a new Torah ie a different sent of commands than the ones given Moses and based on different conditions too.
So the emphasis on faith will be because in the Old Covenant the promises were passed down through Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob who became Israel and thus his descendants.The Covenant was made with Israel not with Gentiles andas Paul put it, Gentiles were aliens to the covenant of promise.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
In the New it is no longer enough to be a descendant of Jacob.All now have to enter in through Jesus and His Covenant.
Remember what Christ said?
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Quote:My understanding is that the Father's laws have been intact since the beginning of Creation. If not, how could Adam and Eve have been guilty of sin? How would mankind have known right from wrong?
I agree with all you said above until we come to where you said
Quote:One must have the spirit to fulfill the law:
I see that the verses quoted do not say that one must have the Spirit to obey the Law and instead the Galatians verse leads us to think the opposite since those gentiles received the Spirit while not obeying the Law.By Law here I mean Mosaic Law since sometimes,esp in this thread the term law can be used to mean both Mosaic and God's Law.Paul then tells them that if they received the Spirit by hearing and believing ie by faith and not by doing the Law, why then did they think that after that they should need to obey that very law that they didn't need to receive the Spirit by in the first place.
I am glad that you quoted that Corinthians verse since it shows Paul using the Law as a teacher according to the Spirit and not the letter.
According to the letter Paul would have been teaching on the care of oxen but we see the principle being used for people instead.I believe this is how we should use the Law , as Paul said
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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